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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8th 1947.

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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outside this world

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fate to black with

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jimmy judge on the game changer network

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good evening fade to black

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yeah it gets longer every night doesn't

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i love frank zappa today's monday

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seven days into the new year

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as always we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown burbank california and i would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer network and kgra the planets

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i am your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing

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all right

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2019

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lays out in front of us and we've got

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our sights laser focused

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on 2019

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been looking forward to this show

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for a few years now

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isaac arthur

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is finally here

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and tonight we're going to discuss alien

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we're going to discuss faster than light

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space travel we're going to talk about

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et contact

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and with isaac now that's just like

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three things i'm laying out there on the

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table with isaac and if you're familiar

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with isaac you know that we can go in

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any direction uh tonight and most likely

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we will now if i can get these three

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subjects in

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uh with isaac uh we're all winners and

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i'm gonna knock this one out of the park

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tonight with all of you but

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isaac

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is one of the brightest one of the best

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since the very beginning of his

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isaac over the years many many many

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nights many

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repeats i just go back and i listen to

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over and over again

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and my favorite way of of uh

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his his material

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is i listen to it in the dark without

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the visuals i i've got you know i go

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back and i watch him

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but i really absorb his stuff when i

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just listen to it he is absolutely

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amazing and just look forward uh to this

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tonight and this is going to be one of

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those shows you're going to listen to

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uh again very soon because there's other

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and get into rather deeply and he is the

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and now i am sure that tonight on the

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as you listen to arthur and i talk

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that's where jimmy is getting this

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and and if you go back to uh fade to

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black you know you go back years ago and

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and the things that i presented and

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where my mind was going

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search of right well i found isaac and

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i'm listening to him like this this guy

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he gets me right

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this is what i enjoy this is right on

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this is perfect well that's what's gonna

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and i'm i'm really looking forward to

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this all right now tomorrow night now

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talk about an amazing week here on fade

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to black tomorrow night another first

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time guest carolyn ford is here that's

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right the guardian of einstein the

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ancient crystal skull of consciousness

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that's right carolyn ford is with us

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tomorrow so we're going to do a full

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night of crystal skulls and uh everybody

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crystal skulls and here's jose jose

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jose jose is you know he got energized

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from einstein i said i know

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and that's what we're gonna do tomorrow

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night and i got all kinds of little

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crystal skulls in here there's another

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and then i got my my little cruiser dude

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a little cruiser

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skull vodka skull vodka bottle in the

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studio i got the big ones down

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the big crystal skull vodka okay all

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tomorrow night

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wednesday night david wilcock

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is back and we are going to discuss what

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is ahead for us in 2019

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very important show an amazing week that

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we've got here and of course thursday

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night is fader night teresa inaris is

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going to be here divine frequency on the

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airwaves and of course followed by open

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lines all night long now don't forget to

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head over to jimmychurchradio.com where

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you can follow like and subscribe of

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there and of course youtube

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and hello to everybody out there that

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right i have to comb my hair

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but back in the day

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shorts and wear the same ac dc t-shirt

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your ozzy blizzard device t-shirt you

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can wear it seven days in a row nobody's

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gonna know nobody's gonna know if you've

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shaved or not but it's not that kind of

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party anymore but hello everybody out

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there all right uh hashtag f2b on

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twitter is where we hang out each night

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questions or comments during tonight's

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show or any other show by the way

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arthur you're gonna have questions

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and it is absolutely imperative that you

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post them up on

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f2bq on twitter okay and i will get to

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them all i always do you can also email

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this is an official release from drew

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for an overhaul and a new look

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to that end this week you may find some

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small glitches as i work on the cool

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premium chat for the bunker bacon bar

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and game changer and yes we will have a

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better way to make sure that game

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changers get their shirts and hats

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and then he follows that up with and

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even a special blog by me

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to let you know about site updates

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changes and things to be aware of signed

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announcement came out today it was out

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under the radar with all the other

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political stuff that's going on and i

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don't do it i do the conspiracy of

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politics including this announcement

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today president trump

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is saying that washington and pyongyang

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so there you go all right come join us

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for the 2019 conscious life expo

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right here in los angeles california at

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the lax hilton

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and it goes on from february 22nd

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through uh february 25th i can't believe

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it it's a month away

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such a huge huge

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fun event

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and again uh last year 10 000 people or

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over those three days think about that

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for a second it's massive it's great

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and come and hang out with us because

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this year we're going to be celebrating

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the 50th anniversary of chariots of the

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gods with eric von daniken i will be

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hosting the panel with eric linda molten

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howe jason martel billy carson rabbi

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friday night that is the

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the kino panel kickoff

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on friday evening and you've got to get

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your tickets for that that is a separate

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let's get this show cracking

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happy birthday to today nicholas cage is

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55 years old and now aside from

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everything else that nicholas has done

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and uh honeymoon in vegas right

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yeah pretty good pretty good aside from

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all of that stuff especially the early

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stuff

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his first movie

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fast times at ridgemont high and i know

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you're gonna go wait a minute he's not

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in fast times at richmond high yes he is

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when they go into all-american burger

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right

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and they shot from the counter and they

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and there you can see the cooks in the

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back

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that's nick cage and he looks right at

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the camera

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and

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it's a young

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nick cage

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he's in uh he's in two scenes in the

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movie but uh there you go nicholas cage

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today is 55 years old

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and jeremy renner today is 48 the hurt

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locker and of course he plays hawkeye in

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the avengers and also one of the greats

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kenny loggins

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today

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is 71. kenny loggins wow

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that's incredible 71 years old on this

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day in history otd 1785

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it went down

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frenchman jean pierre blanchard and

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american john jeffries travel from dover

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england

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to calais france

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in a gas balloon

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becoming the first to cross the english

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channel by air

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that's a big day and it happened in 1785

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fader fact now look i i whip these facts

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out they're all vetted they're all real

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okay but but listen to this

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all right

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the 1980 us hockey team was playing the

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ussr

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in a pre-olympics exhibition

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it was revealed that during the game

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that a soviet player had a gun under his

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jersey

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the player

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air quotes

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the player

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was a kgb agent used to prevent players

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from defecting to the west

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that is your fader fact and you really

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need to think about

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oh my oh my and i guess

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it worked

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tonight very special guest isaac arthur

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is here i'm really looking forward to

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this conversation tonight and it he has

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a way of presenting technology and

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theories and ideas and physics

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and the universe in a way that we all

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can understand and certainly with with

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my brain i've been able to absorb it

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tonight get comfortable it's going to be

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one of those conversations tomorrow

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night caroline ford is here we're going

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to talk about einstein ancient crystal

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skull

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wednesday night david wilcock is going

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to be here now we're going to talk a

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little bit about 2018 and disclosure

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what what happened and what didn't right

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and then we're going to take a look

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forward ahead into 2019 and see what

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what's in store for our community right

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the great or the great awakening

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disclosure all of that on wednesday

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night thursday is another fader night

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with teresa inerras divine frequency on

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the airwaves open lines all night long

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all right let me hit this coffee

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the one thing

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if i've tried to

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get one thing into everybody's heads

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here on this show

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is the one thing that is it just

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absolutely blows my mind

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and that is how

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far we have come

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in understanding our universe

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in such a short period of time

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one of the things that i i i talk about

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so much is that if somebody was born in

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1890 right lived 400 years

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not died in 1990 what

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the things that they would have seen in

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their lifetime

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going from you know uh horses horse and

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buggies

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right all the way through to van halen

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think about that and all of the

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technology that happened in the middle

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of all of that

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stereos television radio

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you know cars jets

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planes rockets apollo

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space travel

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right lasers

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and the internet

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i mean it's just nuts it's nuts

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and and

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and i appreciate that and when i look at

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somebody's date of birth and when they

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just think about what what they have

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seen

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it it doesn't even eclipse in my opinion

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what we have learned

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1995.

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the progress that we have made on a

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technical level

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not only with our civilian lives our

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consumer lives and the lives that we

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live every single day around us

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the advances

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have been

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just

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leapfrogging over each other and what we

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went through from 1995 to the year 2000

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one of the biggest technical explosions

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in the history of all of mankind

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and to go from

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tube televisions to flat screens to go

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from

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uh the internet of where the internet

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was in 1995 to what happened by the year

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2000

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and everything else cell phones crazy

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gps

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and i can just go on and on and on

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the technological achievements have been

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tremendous

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and that's around us that's what we know

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about

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our universe

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our galaxy

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dark energy dark matter the expansion of

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the universe

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right

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there has been

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so much learned

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that i now can look back at my own life

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just like i've looked back at others

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and go holy crap i lived through all of

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this

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i've seen it

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and it's incredible to me because i

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i

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can go back

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and think about

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how many planets that we knew about

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outside of our solar system in 1995

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two

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right

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think about that

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today

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the known planets is one thing five

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thousand

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are catalogued

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another five thousand that are

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registered and ready to go

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and another hundred billion in our

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galaxy 100 billion

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100 billion

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and i need

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that thought

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that very

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germ of an idea

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into everybody's heads

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think about that it doesn't get any more

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extraordinary more extreme

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you know and when we go back to galileo

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or copernicus

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and and their knowledge and how they

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were trying to piece this thing together

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with the sun and our solar system and

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they're noticing things out there and

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they're trying to figure it out right

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that that was big stuff

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what we know today blows that just

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that's where we are today

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so

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now let's take it to the next step

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how rare is life

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how rare is it

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because in our own lifetime going back

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just a short decade or two ago a short

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decade or two ago

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we were questioning things well you know

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how how special are we how unique are we

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we are we're seeing things in the skies

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and we've had visitations and we've seen

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things we've got roswell and randall

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shim and all these other events you know

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aztec sure right maury island we've got

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these things

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but how rare is life and that was the

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question that everybody now it's not

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we we've moved on from that because

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today it's not how rare is life it's

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just how much of it is out there how old

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is it how advanced is it

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right how much is there that's the other

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side and that's where we are today it

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all comes from one thing

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comes from one thing our knowledge of

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the universe

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and edwin hubble in 1925

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there was nothing

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the universe was our galaxy by 1929 we

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found a second galaxy and a third

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and started to think oh wait a minute we

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are not the universe the universe is oh

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oh oh oh

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to today

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because of the hubble telescope and what

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we understand what is really going on

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with our universe

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this is where my mind just goes

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it's it's unbelievably huge

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it's way beyond our wildest dreams and

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now today

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coupled with everything else now we are

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understanding the expansion of the

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visible universe

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why

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well i'm going to be talking to isaac

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about this here in a few minutes

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when now today one of the

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uh things that cosmologists and

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physicists are talking about now is the

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visible universe why

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faster than light

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now if the universe on its outer edges

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is expanding to the point where

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these galaxies and objects on the

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extreme

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edges of our visible universe are now

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surpassing the speed of light

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then once they go they are now ahead of

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light

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can't see him anymore they're still

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there

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but it's now traveling faster than the

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speed of light so our universe is only

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what we can see

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even theoretically

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see

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so think about that and that's where we

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are today isaac arthur presents

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in his video series

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not only all of these uh the physics

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side of this

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theoretical side and tying all of that

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into

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the et or alien contact question

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00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,799
and the the fermi paradox and if life is

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out there what's the status of it not

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00:26:02,310 --> 00:25:59,600
only visiting us but populating other

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00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:02,320
celestial bodies and discovering other

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00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:05,919
galaxies and and interstellar travel and

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how they would do it what these ships

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00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:09,679
are like what the propulsion systems are

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like are they at war are they trading

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right and are they visiting here

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00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:18,000
think about that for a second and when

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00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:20,080
you have somebody on the show tonight

635
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:23,679
like isaac goes back to the very fabric

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00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:25,440
of what the show was about

637
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:27,520
which is science

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00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,799
and this show and our community are

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00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:32,480
starting to cross

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00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:35,600
we're starting to understand each other

641
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:40,080
and the the conversation of not only et

642
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:43,360
and ufos but mainstream and science is

643
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:46,240
what is going on all over this planet

644
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:49,120
and this this question of disclosure

645
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:51,039
which we'll be talking to isaac about

646
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:52,640
this in a few minutes this question of

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00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:55,760
disclosure is getting closer and closer

648
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:58,799
and closer just a few years ago it

649
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:01,600
seemed uh unachievable it didn't seem

650
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:05,200
like we were going to get there today

651
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:08,240
everybody is talking about it

652
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:10,640
it's the best part of what i do it's the

653
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,440
best part when uh i'm i'm gonna get out

654
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:15,679
of here so i can get arthur on here but

655
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:17,440
this past weekend

656
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:20,320
uh over on uh coast to coast i had tyler

657
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,120
glockner on the show from secure team

658
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:25,200
and and chad kalec

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00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:26,000
and

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00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:30,080
about this

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00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,320
tyler's youtube channel

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00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:34,559
you know 2 million subscribers it's just

663
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:38,159
past it right chad kalec who not only

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has been a director of documentaries but

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00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:43,440
also director and producer of uh

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00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:46,240
television programming on the subject of

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00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,840
the paranormal is now visiting the ufo

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00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:51,440
subject too as well

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and this is a global audience this is a

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00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:56,480
huge thing and it was an easy show to do

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00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,080
and it was a show that

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00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,480
the coast audience that is reaching back

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00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:02,640
to me is like this is exactly where we

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00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:05,440
are at this is exactly it you know art

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would have been proud

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and think about that all right so that's

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00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:11,600
the show tonight that's where i'm at if

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00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,240
we can just understand one thing

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00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:16,559
is how much we have learned in the last

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20 years it's been an incredible ride

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00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,600
this is fade to black i am your host

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jimmy church our guest tonight isaac

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arthur tomorrow night carolyn ford

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wednesday night david wilcock thursday

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night's fader night with teresa yanaris

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followed by open lines all night long

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i'm your host jimmy church follow me on

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all right welcome back bay to black

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tonight isaac arthur is here

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tomorrow night

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carolyn ford einstein ancient crystal

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skull

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wednesday night david wilcock he is back

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thursday night's fader night teresa and

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eris of course is going to be here

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followed by open lines all night long

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00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:05,600
tonight

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it's all about isaac isaac arthur

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he's the host of science and futurism

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00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:13,760
with isaac arthur on youtube it's got

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over 300 000 subscribers right now

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00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:18,000
probably more than that

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00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,320
and nearly 200 episodes covering topics

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00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,639
like colonizing the solar system

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00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,720
interstellar travel the fermi paradox

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00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:27,040
artificial intelligence and other topics

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00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:29,359
representing possible future paths and

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00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:32,079
challenges for humanity isaac received

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his degree in physics from kent state

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00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:36,879
university graduating top of his class

801
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:39,359
at the age of 20 and remained there for

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00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,359
graduate studies before joining the us

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00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,679
army and serving in iraq he also worked

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00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:45,599
as a civilian researcher at the air

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00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:48,000
force institute of technology in dayton

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ohio after the military he returned to

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his home and serves as the chairman of

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the board of elections for his area when

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00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:58,800
he's not working on his channel and of

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00:35:01,910 --> 00:35:01,280
course his website is isaacarthur.net

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the links are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com

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00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:04,880
i would like to welcome for the first

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time to fade to black isaac arthur isaac

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00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:09,359
good evening how are you

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00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:10,880
doing great jimmy thanks for having me

817
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:13,040
on oh it's uh it's been a long time

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00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:15,440
coming but we've got you here and before

819
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:18,079
we get started isaac you get the first

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00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,240
time guest disclaimer

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00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:22,880
yeah you ready for it what's that

822
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:25,200
yeah the first time guest disclaimer

823
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:26,560
which is

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00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,880
this isaac is just you and i sitting on

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00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,720
my couch having a conversation as

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00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:32,720
friends and where the conversation

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00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:34,160
starts it starts and where it ends it

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00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,720
ends but we're going to end his friends

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00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:38,960
see simple you ready

830
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:41,520
sounds great let's go let's do it

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00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,960
you know okay

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00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,400
i actually

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00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,640
want to start here and if i can catch

834
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,400
you off guard if i'm going to do it

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00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:50,640
anywhere it might be right now

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00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:52,560
which is which is this

837
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:55,200
you've got uh fantastic writing you've

838
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:57,280
got a great team behind you

839
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,480
the presentations are awesome uh and all

840
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:02,160
of that and

841
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:03,760
okay and we're going to be discussing

842
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:06,480
that tonight but what about you you talk

843
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:09,280
about et and aliens

844
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:12,480
so much and present this information but

845
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:14,320
have you seen something strange in the

846
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:15,920
sky

847
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,560
oh um well actually yeah but uh in every

848
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:19,920
case i've had it happen with me

849
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,440
personally and again i can only speak to

850
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,760
my own you know what i've personally

851
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:25,520
seen i've been there for a couple of

852
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,880
times where someone has seen something

853
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:28,320
but it was always one of those cases

854
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:29,200
where

855
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,400
i don't think that's what you think it

856
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:32,400
is because you know it's got navigation

857
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,960
lights on it so you know right i live

858
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:36,480
near enough airports where sometimes

859
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,760
folks will be surprised and see one

860
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:39,200
turnover hand and say

861
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,880
that can't be you know that can't be a

862
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:42,560
normal aircraft it's it's turning too

863
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:44,480
fast say that's a cessna doing a normal

864
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:45,760
landing man

865
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:47,839
but um you know we've all been exposed

866
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:50,160
to a lot of weird events and uh

867
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,160
you know you can't say for sure what

868
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:55,040
they were um sometimes you can

869
00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:57,440
but uh i think it gives us all you know

870
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,839
life's a long strange thing it'd be a

871
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:01,440
boring life you never collected anything

872
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:03,599
that was out of the ordinary

873
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:05,040
and we just try to figure out what that

874
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:06,960
is you know that's that's fundamentally

875
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:09,599
the human condition find weird things

876
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:11,440
figure out what they mean

877
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,359
one night uh

878
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:15,520
you know the invitation is open but one

879
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,359
night you should uh

880
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:19,680
come out and hang out with us

881
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:21,920
with our night vision and we'll have a

882
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:23,760
couple hundred people there

883
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:27,200
and and just watch and when you see

884
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:30,079
things in the sky now look

885
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:31,760
obviously you're gonna see a lot of

886
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:33,200
satellites you're gonna see a lot of

887
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:35,520
things that are completely terrestrial

888
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:37,839
man-made and explainable but then

889
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,320
there's the other stuff right

890
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:42,960
just like wait a minute here

891
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:44,960
what is that

892
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:48,000
and it's an epiphany when it happens and

893
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:49,280
i think that

894
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:51,599
uh for you for what you do it would

895
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,839
answer a lot of questions for you and

896
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,680
then open up the other doors that maybe

897
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:57,440
you don't want opened

898
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:58,880
would you be

899
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:01,200
ready for an epiphany like that

900
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,880
i'd like to think so but you never know

901
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:04,480
on these things but i say with um i

902
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:06,079
never like to count myself as a skeptic

903
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,280
just because so many people who call

904
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:09,599
themselves skeptics these days are

905
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:11,839
really just cynics in disguise but you

906
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:14,160
always approach everything with doubt

907
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:15,520
and you try to reason your way through

908
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:16,240
it

909
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:17,839
and that includes meaning having to

910
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,760
reassess what your views are if it turns

911
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:21,359
out that you're wrong and it could be

912
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:22,960
possible you know that's

913
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:24,320
that's science for you we've had to

914
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:25,839
change our views quite a few times over

915
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:28,640
the centuries and uh

916
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:30,000
you know then again eyewitness

917
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:31,440
observations you know it's it's one of

918
00:38:34,470 --> 00:38:32,720
those things where you can't always

919
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:34,480
trust your own eyes either sometimes

920
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:35,599
you'll see something you'll be sure

921
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:37,040
that's exactly what it is but then when

922
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:38,960
you take it apart afterwards you find

923
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:40,480
out that you were tricking yourself too

924
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,400
so you don't know until you go out there

925
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:44,240
and see it and document and reason your

926
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:47,359
way through it right right and as a as a

927
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:48,880
physicist or i don't know if you

928
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:52,000
classify yourself as physicist uh you've

929
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:53,599
discussed this before but certainly

930
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:55,119
you've got your degree

931
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:58,000
i want you to imagine this for a second

932
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:59,280
i'm going to

933
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:01,119
be very brief

934
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,800
but i'm standing with 200 people on on

935
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:07,200
the edge of a cliff right at night in

936
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:08,480
the desert

937
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:12,079
and off to my left about a mile away

938
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:13,520
maybe

939
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:17,520
thousand feet

940
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:21,040
about a mile away is a giant green

941
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:22,720
glowing ball

942
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:24,640
and it's traveling at a pretty good clip

943
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:27,680
and it comes out from the side of this

944
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:30,000
mountain now everything

945
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:32,800
is on videotape the canadian cbc they

946
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:34,400
are their document shooting a

947
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:36,880
documentary so there's multiple cameras

948
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:37,680
there

949
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,680
is what happens isaac now wrap your mind

950
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:42,960
around this

951
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:45,680
over a five minute period this thing

952
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:48,640
shoots across the desert floor

953
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:49,680
right

954
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:52,320
and then slowly starts to ascend

955
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,040
and it starts to take off i'm tracking

956
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,280
it i've got night vision you can see it

957
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,040
clearly with uh

958
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:02,160
uh the naked eye and i can see

959
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:03,839
it reflecting

960
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,240
it looks like a green chrome christmas

961
00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:08,240
ornament that's what it looks like right

962
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,320
and it's it's reflecting and the lasers

963
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,079
are bouncing off of it

964
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:14,240
and it starts to ascend and over a

965
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:17,119
five-minute period it goes straight up

966
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:19,760
from the from the ground

967
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:22,640
straight up and turns into

968
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:24,400
a star

969
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:27,280
stops straight up above us

970
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,920
and sits there and then now it's just a

971
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:31,440
star in the sky

972
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:32,960
and then

973
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:36,079
90 degree angle shoots off to the left

974
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:38,720
and disappears into space

975
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:41,359
now when i tell you something like that

976
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:44,160
that's about as fantastical as it gets

977
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,480
right it's like wait a minute hold on

978
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:48,000
but it happened

979
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:51,040
and i can't explain that i i do not know

980
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,839
what i saw i'm not saying e.t

981
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:56,400
i'm just describing you the event with

982
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:58,240
the other 200 people that were there

983
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:59,440
witnessing it

984
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:01,599
now as if as somebody that's trained in

985
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:02,800
physics

986
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:05,440
what do you think i saw

987
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:07,119
oh that's i mean again without actually

988
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:09,200
seeing it and this is one of the things

989
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:10,800
the eyeball is not a great measurement

990
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:13,040
device something can look stationary at

991
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,560
a great distance when it's actually just

992
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:16,480
kind of finishing out its ark and

993
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:18,400
starting to fall back down again

994
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:20,079
um you need to get out there with

995
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:21,200
instruments where you can actually

996
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:23,040
measure very precisely how is this

997
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:24,640
moving how far away is it you know

998
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:26,560
triangulating its actual position

999
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:28,240
so you know for sure is the stationary

1000
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:29,599
or is just moving slowly in different

1001
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:30,560
direction

1002
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,240
and then for instance if we looked at

1003
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:34,560
and we said right here we can say beyond

1004
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:37,119
a doubt that this accelerated at 100 g's

1005
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:39,040
for a moment then we say there's nobody

1006
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:40,800
on board that it's an unmanned whatever

1007
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,119
it is is unmanned or maybe not human at

1008
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:45,440
least um right and then we could say

1009
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:48,319
well that's not a man vessel so assuming

1010
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,520
for the moment that it's something we

1011
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:51,440
made maybe it's a drone maybe it's a

1012
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,920
missile and um of course the the

1013
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,280
inevitable problem with a lot of the

1014
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:57,359
military hardware that's secret is that

1015
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:58,880
it's it's secret because it's military

1016
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,880
hardware we'd expect it to do weird

1017
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:02,400
things because if it wasn't they

1018
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:03,920
wouldn't feel that obliged to keep it

1019
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:05,119
secret

1020
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,480
so what something like that could be um

1021
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:10,079
yeah i can throw out all your number of

1022
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:11,200
thoughts about what it could be but it's

1023
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:12,560
gonna be the same ones everyone else has

1024
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:15,119
probably come up with um

1025
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,560
and i would say

1026
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:18,000
you know that's

1027
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,599
not something i can really offer any new

1028
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:21,520
insight into you know if you study it

1029
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:23,920
you get the exact sun it's trajectories

1030
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:25,760
it's speeds and i mean the real exact

1031
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:27,440
not the eyeball estimates people make

1032
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:28,880
where they say i think that's turning

1033
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:31,040
too fast um

1034
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:32,480
then you can actually start to say what

1035
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:34,079
it can and can't be in terms of its

1036
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,440
characteristics

1037
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,200
and we can rule some stuff out from that

1038
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:39,280
like i was saying if it's going too fast

1039
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:41,200
on its acceleration we know it's not

1040
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:42,160
manned

1041
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,079
um or someone's come up with some really

1042
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,400
cool way to avoid uh acceleration damage

1043
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:48,560
on people which would be great

1044
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,200
and uh the implications of what it is

1045
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:53,280
are different you know uh i can't speak

1046
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,480
to the engineering and stuff like that

1047
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,880
i'm not an aerospace engineer but if you

1048
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:58,400
suddenly had a technology that allowed

1049
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:01,280
you to accelerate 100 g's with a person

1050
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,160
that has huge uh impact on things like

1051
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:06,560
military hardware of course but also on

1052
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:07,839
space flight

1053
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:09,920
since a lot of the devices we'd like to

1054
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,160
use to do space travel with would tend

1055
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,240
to involve very high acceleration rates

1056
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:16,560
and we're a little constrained by not

1057
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:18,079
wanting to accelerate too fast in many

1058
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:19,440
occasions

1059
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:21,680
now i wanted to ask you

1060
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:22,800
um

1061
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:25,520
this is there

1062
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:27,760
you discuss faster than light quite a

1063
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,200
bit and what i find fascinating with the

1064
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:33,440
conversations of

1065
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:36,800
of ftl these days is that it is now part

1066
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:39,040
of the conversation

1067
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:42,319
where it used to be the speed of light

1068
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:44,640
is it nothing can go faster that you

1069
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:45,599
know that

1070
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:49,359
is there anything in einstein's special

1071
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:52,560
relativity that said that nothing could

1072
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:55,520
travel faster than the speed of light

1073
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:56,319
um

1074
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:57,599
that's kind of depends on how you look

1075
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:58,960
at it if you take something like that

1076
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,720
could be a warp drive for instance we

1077
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:02,480
would usually say that's fast and light

1078
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,040
but technically it's not it's going to

1079
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,680
move you from point a to point b faster

1080
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,359
but it's actually doing that by cutting

1081
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,280
down the space in between the points so

1082
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,440
it's not actually exceeding light speed

1083
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,440
same something like a wormhole jumping

1084
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,520
into hyperspace if that exists those are

1085
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:18,960
getting around it

1086
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:20,319
we don't think there's any way to

1087
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:23,200
actually move any sort of classic way

1088
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:24,960
faster the speed of light or even at the

1089
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:28,240
speed of light and nothing's budged that

1090
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:29,920
you have some options things like

1091
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:31,839
tachyons that might be able to move

1092
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:33,839
faster the speed of light too

1093
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:35,839
but you've got the the problem of that

1094
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:37,760
asymptotic limit where as you get closer

1095
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:40,000
and closer it takes more and more energy

1096
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:41,280
and you've also got the problem that on

1097
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,960
the other side of that

1098
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:44,880
you've you've got it going backwards in

1099
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,480
time we'll say negative time or

1100
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:48,800
imaginary time in case like that

1101
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,480
and um which is fine on on paper but uh

1102
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:54,480
we have this this issue already where we

1103
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:57,119
say if we've got fashion like travel

1104
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:58,640
then we have to worry about people from

1105
00:45:01,910 --> 00:45:00,160
outside the observable universe coming

1106
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:01,920
to visit us too it's not just who's in

1107
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,000
our galaxy or who's in the local volume

1108
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:06,640
of space right um if you throw time

1109
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:09,280
travel into that too or throw into you

1110
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:10,800
know travel to other dimensions out at

1111
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,760
earth

1112
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,280
then you've got to deal with people

1113
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:14,880
showing up from your own future to say

1114
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,839
hello

1115
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,599
and uh these are one of those things

1116
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:19,280
where you can't really regulate that if

1117
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,560
you're some you know high-tech

1118
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,240
government following the future

1119
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:24,400
because you can't uh you can prevent

1120
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:26,400
people doing it regularly but you can't

1121
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:28,240
really prevent them from doing it ever

1122
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:30,000
and you only ever have to do it once you

1123
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,079
know right so it was back in time and

1124
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:34,240
they changed history just one time

1125
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:35,599
that's all it takes

1126
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,200
and when when i hear you discuss this um

1127
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,760
it's one thing to talk about time travel

1128
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,359
at the speed of light and clearly

1129
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:45,680
einstein uh

1130
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:46,480
you know

1131
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:49,280
documented this possibility i understand

1132
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:50,880
that and i think that we all do that's a

1133
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,599
real form of time travel if we could you

1134
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:55,680
know uh jump on a spaceship and travel

1135
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:56,960
from earth

1136
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:58,640
achieve a certain speed turn around and

1137
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:00,240
come back while we're time travelers

1138
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:02,319
it's not a time machine we're just time

1139
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,440
traveling i get that part but if we go

1140
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:07,280
full ftl

1141
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:10,079
and you and i are on the bridge right

1142
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:12,480
of our faster than like craft

1143
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:15,520
and we we cross that threshold what

1144
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:17,760
happens to you and i do we

1145
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,880
actually reverse in age i mean do we

1146
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:23,040
become infants

1147
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:25,119
we shouldn't and i was thinking of uh

1148
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:28,560
2001 the rubric film

1149
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,319
right right right normally whatever

1150
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,400
you're doing has no effect on your frame

1151
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:34,160
of reference where you're at uh it's

1152
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:35,680
everybody else around you that's having

1153
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:37,920
the issue so you just travel back in

1154
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:39,839
time but you always want to put caveat

1155
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:41,119
on that because

1156
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:43,839
we only can do this on paper by assuming

1157
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,400
imaginary numbers actually exist and

1158
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:48,480
they're called imaginary for a reason

1159
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:50,800
um so we start there's no experimental

1160
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:52,880
evidence about what happens as to time

1161
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:54,640
slowing down there's tons it's it's not

1162
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:55,599
even something that we have to do the

1163
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:57,839
spaceship for every student physics lab

1164
00:47:01,990 --> 00:46:59,839
has to slow something down right every

1165
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:02,000
time we observe a muon we can see that

1166
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:03,359
in practice

1167
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,359
we slow time down on particles all the

1168
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:07,599
time every super clutter does that

1169
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:09,280
but we've never actually done anything

1170
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,800
where we'll be going faster than or

1171
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,400
actually at the speed of light where

1172
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:13,760
time would stop

1173
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:15,359
so we can't really say for sure what

1174
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,960
that effect is going to be we have kind

1175
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:18,560
of logical way through it unless we get

1176
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,520
the uh

1177
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:21,359
doctor who or the terminator kind of

1178
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:23,119
strange time logic because it doesn't

1179
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:25,040
seem to really ever quite work out well

1180
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:26,480
when you think about it

1181
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:28,240
now though there's the the way around

1182
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:30,880
that is arguably the multiverse theory

1183
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:33,040
which says that pretty much every

1184
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:35,280
scenario that could possibly happen is

1185
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:37,280
happening in another universe

1186
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:38,480
and that

1187
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,160
your your area of time the pathway

1188
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:42,079
you're taking through time is really

1189
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:43,920
more navigating back and forth between

1190
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:46,000
every last picture of the universe and

1191
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:47,760
every possible combination

1192
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:50,400
and um in a case like that

1193
00:47:54,550 --> 00:47:52,560
you wouldn't really be time traveling uh

1194
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,560
but you know it would feel like it it

1195
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:56,160
would seem like it it would be the exact

1196
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:57,599
same to you

1197
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,040
and um

1198
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:01,440
well what happens okay there's there's

1199
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:04,160
two things that i i need my mind clear

1200
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:04,960
on

1201
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:08,160
if something happened at the speed of

1202
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,000
light and i'm talking about a physical

1203
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:12,480
object not a light beam right but a

1204
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:16,079
physical object what happens to

1205
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,200
space

1206
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:19,680
you know does it collapse on itself do

1207
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:20,880
do we go

1208
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:23,440
do things dissolve is there something

1209
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:26,559
that would occur in the world of physics

1210
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:28,079
very much does collapse on itself

1211
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,839
actually the universe

1212
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,359
because that's the asymptotic limit

1213
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:33,599
that's the hidden infinity or zeros war

1214
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:35,440
right um the closer you get there the

1215
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,119
more space whatever direction you're

1216
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,079
traveling is shrinking right and as you

1217
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:42,480
get right there at that distance it's

1218
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:44,480
going to turn into a two-dimensional

1219
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:45,760
disk

1220
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:49,040
um and uh you would be seeing everything

1221
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:51,040
in front of you flattened out uh people

1222
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:52,559
looking at you would see you planned out

1223
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:55,440
but they'd also see time stop for you

1224
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:56,720
and that's another one of the problems

1225
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:58,400
you can't really have an event take

1226
00:49:01,270 --> 00:49:00,000
place at the speed of light with

1227
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,280
anything that's got matter because

1228
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,440
there's no time being experienced

1229
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:05,760
to have an event occur yeah

1230
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:08,000
i get it it reminds me a little bit you

1231
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:09,119
can laugh

1232
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:11,119
um in the movie spaceballs right where

1233
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:12,720
they go past the speed of light to

1234
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:15,359
ludicrous speed then they go to plaid

1235
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,400
right

1236
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:19,200
you know what happens beyond that now

1237
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:21,440
this is my second question you and i

1238
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:23,680
again we're on the bridge right we're

1239
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:27,280
piloting and let's say we're just in

1240
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:30,240
cruise mode we're doing hundred thousand

1241
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:32,480
miles an hour right we're at a we're at

1242
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:34,480
a decent clip and we're actually really

1243
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:37,280
slow yeah that's what i'm saying but

1244
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:38,319
but

1245
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,040
then we turn on our high beams to look

1246
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:43,680
out in front of us or we fire a laser

1247
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:46,880
out in front of our ship

1248
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,880
is that laser or our speed of light

1249
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:52,400
high beams

1250
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:54,880
is that are they now traveling faster

1251
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:57,040
than the speed of light because of the

1252
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:59,119
momentum of our ship already traveling

1253
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:01,280
at say a hundred thousand miles an hour

1254
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:02,800
no and this is the thing that actually

1255
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:05,280
got us special relativity um over here

1256
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:07,599
in cleveland uh back around the turn

1257
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:09,359
last century we had the microsoft morley

1258
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:11,760
experiments prior to that we'd always

1259
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:13,359
assumed that

1260
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:15,200
anything that's moving if i if i'm on a

1261
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,400
train for instance i've always used the

1262
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:18,240
train analogies for special relativity

1263
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:20,400
and i throw a ball that ball was moving

1264
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,319
with my speed plus the train speed plus

1265
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:24,720
the speed of the autonomy right light

1266
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:26,880
seems to move and this is we don't know

1267
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:29,359
why right it was the thing that caused

1268
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:30,559
the big problem that was solved by

1269
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:32,000
relativity anyway

1270
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:33,440
it will move at the same speed

1271
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:35,040
regardless of how fast you're going

1272
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:36,800
everyone sees the light moving at the

1273
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:38,559
exact same speed

1274
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:40,240
and they established that you know

1275
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:41,520
through the microsmaller experiments and

1276
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,720
everything they could do they just kept

1277
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:44,559
coming back to the same speed it was

1278
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:45,599
weird

1279
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:47,040
and so the entirety of special

1280
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:49,599
relativity is built around that specific

1281
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:50,480
fact

1282
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:51,359
that

1283
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:54,079
light will always seem to be moving to

1284
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:55,440
everyone who's observing it regardless

1285
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:57,119
of how fast they were going

1286
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:59,200
at the same speed

1287
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:00,559
different direction you know obviously

1288
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:02,720
if we shoot a laser at an angle but

1289
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:04,960
it's just moving at that speed

1290
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,800
um as we're getting faster as we're

1291
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:08,880
getting close to speed of light

1292
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:10,400
it's going to seem to be moving away

1293
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,839
from us at that same speed but anybody

1294
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,280
else who's looking at it is going to see

1295
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,119
it doing that too

1296
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:17,040
and that's where the time dilation comes

1297
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,960
in now if we actually hit the speed of

1298
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:20,640
light for the moment and then we emitted

1299
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,160
a laser beam we couldn't do that because

1300
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,400
in time stop but if we if we could

1301
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:26,640
that light would seem to not go anywhere

1302
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:27,599
because

1303
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:29,440
we are now moving at the speed of light

1304
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,520
too um

1305
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:33,200
so it that should be the exception where

1306
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:35,280
it doesn't

1307
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:35,760
so happen

1308
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:36,960
you're saying

1309
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,720
would seem to get wider though or we

1310
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:40,559
would red shift away from us but a blue

1311
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:42,319
shift towards us we caught back up with

1312
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:45,359
it right right right the blue red shift

1313
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:49,040
so if you and i again were on the bridge

1314
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:51,040
and we're approaching the speed of light

1315
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:54,240
let's say we're there and i flick on my

1316
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:55,599
flashlight

1317
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:57,680
then the light would only come out an

1318
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:59,680
inch in front of it you know what i mean

1319
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:01,520
that's it we're there we're at the speed

1320
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,880
of light

1321
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:04,480
as we just get real close there if we

1322
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:06,319
flick the thing on right before we hit

1323
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:07,920
there and it has just enough time to

1324
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:10,079
travel you know a meter or so it should

1325
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:11,599
seem to freeze in front of us now of

1326
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:12,720
course we wouldn't be able to actually

1327
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:14,960
see it freezing because we absorb light

1328
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:17,200
by seeing it hit us but uh it would have

1329
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:19,040
frozen in place in front of us right

1330
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:21,680
when we hit the speed itself but again

1331
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:22,880
that's the same problem it's one of

1332
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:24,160
those cases where you really should

1333
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:26,079
never be able to do that so

1334
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:28,640
it gets a little iffy talking about what

1335
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:31,119
should definitely happen because

1336
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:33,200
it's not really a case that you could do

1337
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:34,240
anyway

1338
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:35,680
um

1339
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:38,160
to you it seems like to a laser beam if

1340
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:39,920
i shoot a laser beam out and i'm on each

1341
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,839
of those photons they come out

1342
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,920
the you know photon a movie at the front

1343
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,520
and then you got photon b right behind

1344
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:48,000
it you should see photon a still in

1345
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:49,040
front of it the whole time it's

1346
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:50,559
traveling at the same distance they're

1347
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:52,480
both moving at the same speed

1348
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:53,359
um

1349
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:55,119
but you can't actually observe anything

1350
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:56,960
from these because there's no time

1351
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,440
passing for them a photon experiences no

1352
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:01,440
time you know anything moving the speed

1353
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:03,599
of light like a neutrino probably moves

1354
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:05,200
the speed of light they experience no

1355
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:07,040
time neutrinos might move just a little

1356
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:08,800
slower than light speed whenever quite

1357
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:10,880
positive it's real close

1358
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:11,920
um

1359
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:13,680
and or for that metal the speed of light

1360
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:15,599
might be just a hail higher than light

1361
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:17,359
actually travels if it turned out that

1362
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:19,119
photons had just a little tiny amount of

1363
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:21,440
mass right and we it's one of those

1364
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:22,880
things we can't eliminate the

1365
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:24,960
possibility same as we can never say if

1366
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:26,480
anything is completely infinite or not

1367
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,440
you know if you've got a rope that's

1368
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:29,280
infinitely long you go by counting that

1369
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:31,440
by pulling on it or walking next to it

1370
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:33,200
you can establish how long it is but you

1371
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,880
can never say for sure that it's not

1372
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:36,480
longer until you get to the end you know

1373
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,920
if it's infinite you can ever prove it's

1374
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:38,880
infinite

1375
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:40,400
uh and it's kind of the same thing here

1376
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,599
you can never

1377
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:43,920
prove that a photon has absolutely no

1378
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:46,640
mass maybe we can infer it though and we

1379
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:48,160
can never prove that it has no time at

1380
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:50,000
all but we can kind of afford we can say

1381
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:51,359
it definitely doesn't have more than

1382
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:52,720
this amount

1383
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:54,960
um and so sometimes what we say it

1384
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:56,240
shouldn't call it the speed of light but

1385
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,839
the speed of information because that

1386
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:59,760
one we're pretty confident about right

1387
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:01,040
light just happens to be the first thing

1388
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:02,559
we found that moved to that speed and

1389
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:04,160
it's it's the speed that

1390
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,000
no mass moves at basically if you have

1391
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:08,160
no mass that's how fast you go

1392
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:10,559
uh and the reason why that is starts

1393
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getting a little complicated with

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minkowski space and other things but uh

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00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,800
it was a we'll bypass that if you don't

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mind well when we come back after the

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00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:21,200
break i want to continue this because i

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it's one of the most fascinating aspects

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00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:25,839
of all of this because if we are

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going to visit the stars and and other

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00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:31,599
uh planets or if we are getting visited

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00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:32,880
all of these questions have to be

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00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:34,319
answered and thought about so we'll

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00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:35,839
we'll continue this but i wanted to ask

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00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:38,079
you this before the break we've got uh

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00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:39,680
four minutes

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00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:43,520
it when a ship is out there even our own

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00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:46,160
uh uh you know voyager or whatever

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00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:48,640
pioneer our own things that we're

1410
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:50,880
shooting but if if we're out there

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00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:53,200
traveling at these great speeds

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00:55:02,230 --> 00:54:57,520
and we encounter uh a small

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00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:02,240
um asteroid or meteorite and and

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00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:05,599
wouldn't the impact at those speeds be

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ginormous

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00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:09,520
oh yeah no it's it's it's even at like a

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00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,960
tenth the speed of light anything you

1418
00:55:14,790 --> 00:55:12,720
hit is going off like a nuclear bomb

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00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:14,800
with the same mass would so how do we

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00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:17,440
how do we avoid that

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00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:19,760
and and i understand the laser aspect

1422
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:22,559
and and defensive positioning and and

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00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:24,559
radar and scanning out

1424
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:28,000
but i would think at those speeds

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00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,160
the calculations and the logistics would

1426
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:33,119
just be off the charts but but if we did

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00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:35,839
make contact it would be over

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00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:37,200
mm-hmm

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00:55:40,790 --> 00:55:39,040
it's the thing about moving that quickly

1430
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:40,800
and some other reasons why we say you

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00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:42,319
even if you could go faster than light

1432
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:44,000
you maybe wouldn't want to because you

1433
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:45,520
can't even get a return signal at that

1434
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:47,200
point right right you're running up on

1435
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:49,280
things like this uh like if you're going

1436
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:51,040
fast and light everything in front of

1437
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:52,880
you looks dead white

1438
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:54,240
because everything's sped up so much

1439
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:55,359
it's blue shifting so much and

1440
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:56,640
everything behind you looks like a black

1441
00:56:02,150 --> 00:55:58,559
hole right no like which is up to you

1442
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,160
right um trying to actually do detection

1443
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:04,240
on things like that is quite tricky even

1444
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:05,599
when you're stoking up to about half the

1445
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:08,000
speed of light anything you run into is

1446
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:09,839
like hitting an anti-matter bomb a

1447
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,359
single coffee cup is going to hit you

1448
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:13,200
like the hiroshima device right right

1449
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:14,400
right um

1450
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:15,280
and

1451
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:16,720
you have to make sure that doesn't

1452
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:18,079
happen you know

1453
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:19,760
you you can absorb a particle or two

1454
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:21,359
getting hit by a relativistic particle

1455
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:22,640
you know they say if you hit a single

1456
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,559
hydrogen atom no not unless you're

1457
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:26,640
moving at you know a lorentz factor of

1458
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:28,240
like a hundred you know which you really

1459
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:30,799
have no reason never do um

1460
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:33,040
but any particle any grain of sand is

1461
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:34,799
going to do a lot of damage

1462
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:35,920
um

1463
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:37,040
and so you have to be constantly

1464
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:38,480
scanning around for that and considering

1465
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:39,839
how fast you're moving you're talking

1466
00:56:43,829 --> 00:56:41,599
about team to scan area the size of our

1467
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:43,839
solar system like out to pluto

1468
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:46,319
to spot something the size of a pebble

1469
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:48,319
right and that gets worse and worse the

1470
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:50,160
faster you go

1471
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:52,240
and there are many ways you can tackle

1472
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,480
that but it does start to say

1473
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:56,160
maybe we don't want to be going that

1474
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:59,040
fast even if we could maybe a little bit

1475
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:01,760
slower is the wiser course of action

1476
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:03,839
um and so i usually tend to assume you

1477
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:05,920
wouldn't go much faster than about 20

1478
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:07,440
percent of light speed

1479
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:09,040
unless you actually start creating a

1480
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,200
highway system through space not a

1481
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:13,359
classic one obviously a way you're

1482
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:14,880
sweeping all that matter out of the way

1483
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:16,880
constantly you've got your sensor grids

1484
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,880
along the way that are spotting even a

1485
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:20,400
grain of dust and just vaporizing a

1486
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:22,160
thing you clear it out you make a

1487
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:24,079
hyperspace bypass it will

1488
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:26,559
now you can start looking at traveling

1489
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:28,240
close to speed of light

1490
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:29,680
and you don't necessarily have to be

1491
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:30,799
carrying propellant with you because you

1492
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:32,559
could be using lasers to bounce the

1493
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:34,480
ships around to high speeds

1494
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:36,000
that's one way you could do that that

1495
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:37,599
doesn't get you new solar systems that

1496
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:38,960
lets you get to systems that you've

1497
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:40,799
already colonized and you know back and

1498
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:42,319
forth between them

1499
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:44,240
so same as going to the oregon trail

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00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:45,520
takes you a year to get out to oregon

1501
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:46,720
nowadays you can drive out there in a

1502
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:48,000
couple days

1503
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:50,240
so you always have a slow expansion

1504
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,240
front as you're exploring but you

1505
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:54,000
probably can get away with traveling

1506
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:55,359
pretty close to the speed of light back

1507
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,040
and forth between solar systems it's

1508
00:58:02,309 --> 00:57:59,440
just trying to find the bestest safest

1509
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:02,319
way to do it yeah i'm picturing uh

1510
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:04,720
because when i've heard you discuss this

1511
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:07,040
this shows you where my mind is i was

1512
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,160
picturing interstellar highway street

1513
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:12,400
cleaners

1514
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:15,040
right to clear the path

1515
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:16,160
and then of course the idea would be

1516
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:17,359
that they'd be using they wouldn't be

1517
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:19,040
using a classic boom but they'd be using

1518
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:20,799
a laser button

1519
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:21,680
with

1520
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:23,200
they sweep all the gas and dust out of

1521
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:25,839
the way but it would have to be that way

1522
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:27,280
because if you're just going out there

1523
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:30,640
willy-nilly uh space is big and it's

1524
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:33,599
vast but it only takes like you said a

1525
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:35,359
little micro meteorite the size of a

1526
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:38,000
grain of sand at that speed would cause

1527
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:40,160
you a lot of trouble

1528
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:41,599
so you either want to go slow or you

1529
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:43,119
want to make sure you've got a really

1530
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:45,359
clear system in front of you and this is

1531
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:46,960
something we deal with you know if i'm

1532
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:48,960
walking around my house or on the front

1533
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:50,240
lawn i don't have to worry about a

1534
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:51,760
little rock if i'm driving down the

1535
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:54,000
freeway i can do a lot of damage some

1536
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:55,680
dropping outside of a bridge or even

1537
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:57,280
just hitting something like a bottle on

1538
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:59,440
the road can cause problems

1539
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:01,280
let's take a break right here isaac

1540
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:04,079
fantastic start to this evening in this

1541
00:59:06,990 --> 00:59:05,760
conversation our guest tonight isaac

1542
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:07,000
arthur

1543
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course his youtube channel is is right

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there as well it's fade to black i'm

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your host jimmy church i'll be right

1546
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:19,830
back after this short break stay with us

1547
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this is fade to black with jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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the one and only kgra radio the planet

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight our

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guest is isaac arthur he is here

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tomorrow night carolyn ford einstein

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that's tomorrow night

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wednesday night david wilcock is back

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with us to talk about 2019 and we're

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going to look forward thursday night is

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open lines all night long tonight it's

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isaac arthur and isaac

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this is one of the most fascinating

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aspects of the era that you and i live

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in right now and it's the knowledge

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of our universe that is coming in it's

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the data is is getting out of control

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and watching uh cosmologists and and

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astrophysicists out there

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have to start to look at these harsh

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numbers and where things are going like

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dark energy right that's something that

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was never discussed before

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now we're confronted uh with this and

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the expansion of the universe but

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there's another fascinating thing for me

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and that is the discovery of exoplanets

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and where now in our own milky way

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where we thought oh there could be a

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couple maybe there's more

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how unique are we to the conversation

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today is our milky way could have a

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hundred billion planets in it this is

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more than that yeah probably more right

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it's an extraordinary number that we

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never even contemplated 20 years ago

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right this is

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these are exciting times but

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now let's take that data and take that

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knowledge and go in the opposite

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direction we're talking about speed of

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light

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and if et is out there visiting and i

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believe that they are and they're coming

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at us

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how do you pump the brakes on a ship

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that is moving at that speed i mean

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how long does it take to slow down

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well i think we were talking earlier

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about how fast somebody could accelerate

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or decelerate and that that's actually a

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really important one because

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uh by good coincidence if you accelerate

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at 1g your normal earth gravity for a

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year you will get up to about light

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speed you won't quite get there because

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you never quite get there but

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if you want to get up to 10 of light

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speeds you need to be accelerating for a

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month and when you want to go down from

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that it's going to take you a month too

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uh if you're going at near the speed of

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light uh and again it's even going to be

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way worse for something like ftl

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probably things like the warp drive get

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around that entirely

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you slam the brakes very slowly yeah so

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um and that actually becomes the issue

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is if you have access to effectively

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infinite energy to be accelerating these

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ships those kind of speeds

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you still have to find some way to

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handle a very fast acceleration or

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you're going to experience a lot of time

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personally

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and ideally you'd prefer not to you

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might get around that with something

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like cryogenic

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cryogenic sleep but um

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or some other type of stasis but you

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have to be able to slow down you have to

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be able to speed up and it's going to

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take a lot of time to do that when

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you're going really fast you and you

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have to re-expand that energy too so you

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can't make a lot of stopovers to pick up

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like hitchhikers while you're on your

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way you go once you start like moving

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once you're up to speed you're pretty

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much locked into that course until you

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get to your destination

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um unless you have a vast amount of

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resource fuel and if you did go faster

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some things like the warp drive or

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wormhole if we could ever get them

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walking and i have to be honest i don't

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think that we will

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um these usually get around that

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acceleration issue uh with the wormhole

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you're really not traveling through

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space although the implication that it's

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one of those gauges your step you like

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in stargate they're not quite right

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with something like the warp drive

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though you're not actually moving you're

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just moving the space on either side of

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you so

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there you don't have to accelerate at

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all though that comes with some problems

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too we think if you're heading towards

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planet with one of these things on

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you're very likely to when you

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decelerate blow up the system you're

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arriving at so

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i know and now

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okay let's we need to stay on this uh

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i'm not gonna let it go

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uh there

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is there resistance in space like

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you know obviously we have resistance

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here on on earth and you will always

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slow down

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you need more energy to

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to maintain a speed

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out in space if we achieve whatever it

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is right hundred thousand two hundred

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thousand five hundred thousand miles an

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hour are we able to shut off our engines

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and just

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cruise in that direction or do we

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at that speed uh 500 000 miles an hour

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speed of light is a hundred eight

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thousand miles a second so it's it's a

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lot faster but um at that speed you

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would drift for millions of years for

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you have a noticeable drop in speed but

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if you get close enough to the speed of

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light you actually have to start making

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your ship kind of aerodynamic because

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even though there's very little there

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you're going so fast that you're running

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01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:58,000
into it it basically does start to

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create a drag effect

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01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:01,120
now that's only going to happen when

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you're talking about like half the speed

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of light or closer but you can slow down

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01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:06,400
that way too it is one of the free ways

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01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:08,560
to slow down uh but it takes a long time

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01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:10,159
is just to extend a big parachute

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basically and let it drag you down uh it

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01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:14,880
doesn't work too well lower speeds

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01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:16,800
though and things like pioneer voyager

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01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:18,080
or those things are never going to

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01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:20,159
experience you know any sort of

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01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:21,760
significant drag

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01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:23,440
uh any more than you or i do walking

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01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:25,440
around the house at you know a very slow

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01:10:29,189 --> 01:10:27,760
speed compared to a supersonic jet

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01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:29,199
um

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01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:30,880
you do have that concern and that's

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01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:31,920
going to be a concern if you're doing

1822
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:34,560
ftl in a in a kind of classic star trek

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01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:36,640
war travel kind of way and so if you

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01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:37,840
want to stay at that speed you have to

1825
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:40,000
keep pushing and it means using more and

1826
01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:41,600
more fuel to keep up to that speed and

1827
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the faster you go the more that there is

1828
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:46,080
and again it's one of those reasons why

1829
01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:47,920
you probably don't want to try to be

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01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:50,480
going more about half the speed of light

1831
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:52,880
one of the things that i have talked

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01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:55,920
about over and over again on this show

1833
01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:57,679
for years and years

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01:11:03,030 --> 01:11:01,520
is arthur c clarke and uh rama

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01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:03,040
the entire series of books i don't know

1836
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:05,040
how many times i have read them

1837
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:08,560
but i've always contemplated that aspect

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01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:10,159
and i always thought that arthur c

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01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:12,640
clarke was ahead of the curve maybe

1840
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:13,600
maybe

1841
01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:18,239
alien rest of the series though the

1842
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:19,840
first book great the second book pretty

1843
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:24,070
are you talking about when gentry lee

1844
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:26,320
came into the picture yes yes and then

1845
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:28,320
nothing against gentry nothing against

1846
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:31,440
gentry no i i but you are correct

1847
01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:33,760
um okay so anyway

1848
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:37,760
is that if uh if something was coming at

1849
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:39,040
us

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01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:40,960
at some great speed

1851
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:44,159
would we notice something uh would we be

1852
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:46,400
able to see something that was traveling

1853
01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:48,800
at the speed of light or nearly at the

1854
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:50,560
speed of light would we be able to pick

1855
01:11:54,070 --> 01:11:51,600
that up

1856
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:54,080
no well if it's going it's all about how

1857
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:55,679
fast it's going if it's going at exactly

1858
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:57,199
the speed of light we'll never see it

1859
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:59,360
till the moment it arrives right um if

1860
01:12:03,189 --> 01:12:01,440
it's going just a little bit slower we

1861
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:03,199
will get to see it but probably not a

1862
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:05,120
lot like if something's a light hour out

1863
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:07,679
and it's moving at you know 99 the speed

1864
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:08,560
of light

1865
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:10,480
you're going to get you know

1866
01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:13,120
maybe 30 seconds of warning time uh but

1867
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:14,960
and it's already it's right there on you

1868
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:16,560
by then right

1869
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:19,199
and uh for you know stellar distances

1870
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:20,560
that's actually more than enough because

1871
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:22,000
you've got something that's a light year

1872
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:23,840
out that's that gives you many days of

1873
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:24,719
warning

1874
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:26,000
and it's all about how fast they're

1875
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:27,440
going if they're going half the speed of

1876
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:29,520
light then they're 12 light hours out

1877
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:31,040
you're gonna see them when they're six

1878
01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:32,640
hours out as well

1879
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:34,480
um so you should always see a ship

1880
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:36,080
that's slowing down to get to you

1881
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:37,120
especially because it's going to be

1882
01:12:40,870 --> 01:12:38,880
again slowing down

1883
01:12:43,350 --> 01:12:40,880
but once you get into the ftl zone

1884
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:43,360
you're not going to you actually see it

1885
01:12:47,430 --> 01:12:45,600
after it's already passed by which is

1886
01:12:50,229 --> 01:12:47,440
the way that arthur c clarke has

1887
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:50,239
presented it in rama in that it was like

1888
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:53,600
on top of us slowing down right

1889
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:55,920
and that we it would be

1890
01:13:01,590 --> 01:12:58,640
like inside of pluto's orbit

1891
01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:01,600
before we would even have a clue right

1892
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:03,520
of course it's slowing down rapidly at

1893
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:04,640
that point

1894
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:06,320
but that that would be it and that's a

1895
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:07,920
frightening thing to wrap our head

1896
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:09,760
around

1897
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:11,280
well it's we always say there's no

1898
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:12,800
stealth in space but again if you're

1899
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:14,080
going fast enough you don't need too

1900
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:16,640
much stealth because you've got that

1901
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:18,640
that surprise advantage no one sees your

1902
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:21,360
tea almost there right um of course you

1903
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:22,719
don't really need that if you want to

1904
01:13:25,750 --> 01:13:24,080
militarily invade some because you're

1905
01:13:28,149 --> 01:13:25,760
going that fast all you have to do is

1906
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:28,159
not slow down you just throw your trash

1907
01:13:31,750 --> 01:13:29,840
out before you decelerate and let it hit

1908
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:31,760
the planet you're heading towards and

1909
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:33,280
you know the earth might only be going

1910
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:35,040
thirty thousand miles an hour around the

1911
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:36,480
sun but

1912
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:38,239
uh that stuff is still moving the speed

1913
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:40,159
it's going at so same as a spaceship

1914
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:42,560
hitting your interstellar debris you

1915
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:44,640
throw a ton of garbage

1916
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:46,080
let's say a little ton of garbage out

1917
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:47,040
the front of your ship when you're going

1918
01:13:51,189 --> 01:13:49,360
near light speed it hits that planet in

1919
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:51,199
front of you and

1920
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:52,880
you've already got uh all your weapons

1921
01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:54,320
deployed as a war there's nothing no

1922
01:13:57,030 --> 01:13:55,679
need to do anything else the surface of

1923
01:14:00,630 --> 01:13:57,040
that planet on that side is just

1924
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:02,149
surprise them beyond that when your ship

1925
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:04,560
arrives uh it's already you hit them

1926
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:06,000
with a preemptive strike

1927
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:07,120
now

1928
01:14:11,590 --> 01:14:09,440
when you have started to put this data

1929
01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:11,600
together and by the way uh the people

1930
01:14:15,830 --> 01:14:13,760
that work with you i i think these

1931
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:15,840
concepts are are fascinating and the

1932
01:14:20,070 --> 01:14:17,280
research is

1933
01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:20,080
is uh just it's it's unbelievable uh

1934
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:22,320
especially for me to go through

1935
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:24,960
but when we start to contemplate this

1936
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:28,080
and when you look at just our own galaxy

1937
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:29,280
isaac

1938
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:30,239
how much

1939
01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:34,400
could be out there it doesn't have to be

1940
01:14:39,189 --> 01:14:35,760
advanced

1941
01:14:41,830 --> 01:14:39,199
like at our level right our caveman

1942
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:41,840
level of advancement how much how much

1943
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:43,920
life do you think could be in our milky

1944
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:44,960
way

1945
01:14:49,510 --> 01:14:47,440
uh i would not be too surprised if we

1946
01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:49,520
found other life in the solar system but

1947
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:52,640
not anything advanced um it would not

1948
01:14:56,550 --> 01:14:54,880
surprise me if we found simple life just

1949
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:56,560
all over the place like every place it

1950
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:58,080
could be well we could turn out to be a

1951
01:15:01,510 --> 01:14:59,440
lot earlier than that too we don't

1952
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:01,520
really have good models for a biogenesis

1953
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:02,480
yet

1954
01:15:06,790 --> 01:15:04,880
um intelligence that's that's the other

1955
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:06,800
story when we look at the fermi paradox

1956
01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:08,800
we say that there probably isn't any if

1957
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:11,280
we if we draw that conclusion then it's

1958
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:13,920
really technological life that's higher

1959
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:15,360
you know that's at least a century ahead

1960
01:15:19,910 --> 01:15:17,840
of us right now that we're talking about

1961
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:19,920
where along the way the stumbling block

1962
01:15:24,630 --> 01:15:22,000
is that really cuts the numbers down

1963
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:24,640
that is a lot harder to say you know the

1964
01:15:29,189 --> 01:15:27,440
b had fire a million years ago

1965
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:29,199
um we didn't start using it for pottery

1966
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:31,920
or metal to about 10 000 years ago

1967
01:15:37,030 --> 01:15:34,239
and uh you can look at even like uh

1968
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:37,040
during vespasians where uh in the the

1969
01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:38,480
second century roman sorry fourth

1970
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:41,679
century of rome after uh the place born

1971
01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:43,199
down he didn't want to employ certain

1972
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:44,640
technologies not because he didn't trust

1973
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:46,800
them but because he said well how am i

1974
01:15:49,030 --> 01:15:48,000
going to feed my people they have no

1975
01:15:50,550 --> 01:15:49,040
jobs

1976
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:50,560
um

1977
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:52,800
you could have a civilization stutter

1978
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:54,640
you know i think prior to about the 16th

1979
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:55,920
century

1980
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:57,760
there's no given that technology is

1981
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:59,520
going to keep advancing there isn't even

1982
01:16:02,709 --> 01:16:00,800
now but i'd say we're pretty much

1983
01:16:04,470 --> 01:16:02,719
addicted to the the pathway of more

1984
01:16:06,149 --> 01:16:04,480
technology and research

1985
01:16:08,070 --> 01:16:06,159
you know we were around for a million

1986
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:08,080
years with brains decently on par with

1987
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:10,080
what we have now and really didn't make

1988
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:12,640
much technological progress so it could

1989
01:16:17,430 --> 01:16:14,560
be the entire galaxy is full up of

1990
01:16:20,070 --> 01:16:17,440
civilizations that are neolithic i would

1991
01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:20,080
tend to bet not but i don't have any any

1992
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:21,520
evidence that that's just you know my

1993
01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:22,960
intuition says

1994
01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:25,520
that intelligent life of the uh caveman

1995
01:16:29,990 --> 01:16:27,360
level for instance is probably pretty

1996
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:30,000
decently rare it might be more common

1997
01:16:33,669 --> 01:16:32,080
than stuff at all level

1998
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:33,679
um but

1999
01:16:37,270 --> 01:16:35,440
i would tend to think that it's still

2000
01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:37,280
pretty rare

2001
01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:40,159
with uh our son

2002
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:41,120
is

2003
01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:42,800
uh we're blessed with something that's

2004
01:16:45,669 --> 01:16:44,080
very stable

2005
01:16:48,550 --> 01:16:45,679
yes yeah and that is something to always

2006
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:48,560
keep in mind on things like this very

2007
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:50,480
stable

2008
01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:53,600
any variance in anything with our sun

2009
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:55,199
and we're not you and i are not talking

2010
01:16:58,870 --> 01:16:57,920
right now right it's really that simple

2011
01:17:01,030 --> 01:16:58,880
isn't it

2012
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:01,040
well we could probably survive

2013
01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:02,880
if the sun was more active like a lot of

2014
01:17:06,390 --> 01:17:04,800
stars in our class i don't know ah we're

2015
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:06,400
not a freak anomaly we're just on the

2016
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:08,000
little bit of an outlier

2017
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:11,120
um if the sun got less stable something

2018
01:17:15,189 --> 01:17:13,040
more extreme than a mondo minimum or the

2019
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:15,199
reverse where it was really fluctuating

2020
01:17:18,550 --> 01:17:16,400
all over the place

2021
01:17:21,590 --> 01:17:18,560
in a case like that we'd probably still

2022
01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:21,600
survive now unless it was very extreme

2023
01:17:24,149 --> 01:17:22,400
but

2024
01:17:25,830 --> 01:17:24,159
you know a long-term effect like that

2025
01:17:28,149 --> 01:17:25,840
could boil the atmosphere off a planet

2026
01:17:29,669 --> 01:17:28,159
pretty easily and stars are only ever

2027
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:29,679
getting hotter they they start off

2028
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:31,440
cooler than they are but after a billion

2029
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:33,679
years or so and they just keep getting

2030
01:17:37,430 --> 01:17:35,440
hotter as they slowly work their way up

2031
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:37,440
to that that uh subgiant and then red

2032
01:17:40,950 --> 01:17:38,719
giant stage

2033
01:17:42,390 --> 01:17:40,960
and that shifts the habitable zone for

2034
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:42,400
solar system

2035
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:44,640
and we could have a lot of systems where

2036
01:17:50,070 --> 01:17:47,679
it started off inhabited and uh then the

2037
01:17:52,229 --> 01:17:50,080
atmosphere got stripped off and all that

2038
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:52,239
life went away not necessarily advanced

2039
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:54,239
life like us we we could survive a slow

2040
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:56,239
incremental uh heating of the sun right

2041
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:57,040
now

2042
01:18:01,189 --> 01:17:59,360
but obviously basic microbial life or

2043
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:01,199
you know uh basic mammals could not they

2044
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:02,880
don't have technology

2045
01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:04,400
and similarly you could have plants that

2046
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:06,400
got seeded later on as that sun warmed

2047
01:18:10,470 --> 01:18:07,920
up and then that warm zone that

2048
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:10,480
habitable zone uh expanded

2049
01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:12,719
and something like that could be uh we

2050
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:14,800
always talk about filters for uh what

2051
01:18:19,030 --> 01:18:17,600
can get you to uh to high advanced life

2052
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:19,040
that could be one of those filters

2053
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:20,560
things that end up skimming a lot of

2054
01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:23,040
people out of the uh of the equation

2055
01:18:26,950 --> 01:18:25,600
is that a lot of plants only a habitable

2056
01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:26,960
temporarily

2057
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:28,960
um and they are not habitable long

2058
01:18:31,750 --> 01:18:30,560
enough for anything in advance to to

2059
01:18:33,830 --> 01:18:31,760
show up

2060
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:33,840
and this is the big problem with this is

2061
01:18:37,910 --> 01:18:35,760
only guesswork we have to draw logical

2062
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:37,920
inferences because we still have so

2063
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:40,560
little data we i mean we didn't have any

2064
01:18:43,189 --> 01:18:42,159
plants until about 20 years ago to look

2065
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:43,199
at but

2066
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:45,199
even now with five thousand that sounds

2067
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:46,480
like a lot but there's probably a

2068
01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:48,960
trillion planets out there at least

2069
01:18:53,350 --> 01:18:51,280
and uh most of those plants we found

2070
01:18:55,030 --> 01:18:53,360
those are the easy ones to spot they're

2071
01:18:56,550 --> 01:18:55,040
the really big ones or the ones really

2072
01:18:57,510 --> 01:18:56,560
close to their sun that aren't habitable

2073
01:18:59,350 --> 01:18:57,520
anyway

2074
01:19:01,590 --> 01:18:59,360
so that pool of five thousand six

2075
01:19:04,470 --> 01:19:01,600
thousand how many extra plants it is now

2076
01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:04,480
includes almost nothing that is actually

2077
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:06,400
earth-like not because those plants are

2078
01:19:10,149 --> 01:19:07,920
rare they probably aren't but because

2079
01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:10,159
they're the harder ones to see

2080
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:12,320
and when we have thousands of those that

2081
01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:14,400
we can actually see decently do some

2082
01:19:17,830 --> 01:19:16,320
real spectroscopy on

2083
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:17,840
then we might be able to start talking

2084
01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:19,679
about the probabilities of this type of

2085
01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:21,280
life you know this level of life

2086
01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:24,239
advancing to uh to microbial life or to

2087
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:26,560
uh multicellular life or

2088
01:19:30,870 --> 01:19:28,880
complex brains until then we just kind

2089
01:19:33,669 --> 01:19:30,880
of have to guess off our intuition and

2090
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:33,679
that's never trustworthy of course well

2091
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:36,000
and i like to look at us you know what

2092
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:38,719
are we doing here as as humans as

2093
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:40,719
earthlings we're out there trying to

2094
01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:42,400
figure this thing out too as well we're

2095
01:19:46,470 --> 01:19:44,159
looking for searching for planets and

2096
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:46,480
and what what could be out there

2097
01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:48,400
et is

2098
01:19:52,790 --> 01:19:51,280
any alien civilization that is out there

2099
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:52,800
that's the only way to look at it they

2100
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:55,760
must be doing the exact same thing but

2101
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:58,080
this is where i think things get

2102
01:20:01,590 --> 01:19:59,760
complicated you just brought it up there

2103
01:20:02,790 --> 01:20:01,600
could be a trillion planets right a

2104
01:20:03,790 --> 01:20:02,800
trillion

2105
01:20:06,630 --> 01:20:03,800
that

2106
01:20:08,790 --> 01:20:06,640
undocumented just you know you can't you

2107
01:20:10,950 --> 01:20:08,800
can't go and map out and figure

2108
01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:10,960
everything give it a name and so forth i

2109
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:14,080
mean it's just a tremendous amount but

2110
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:17,600
how many of those alien civilizations

2111
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:21,120
know about earth because we're one of a

2112
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:24,000
trillion planets right it's the opposite

2113
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:25,360
field of view

2114
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:26,960
right we're just one of a trillion

2115
01:20:31,110 --> 01:20:29,440
planets

2116
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:31,120
do you see where i'm going with this

2117
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:33,679
because my next question is alien uh

2118
01:20:38,709 --> 01:20:35,520
ancient aliens right

2119
01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:38,719
how many how many know about us

2120
01:20:42,870 --> 01:20:41,040
if they if they if if we assume for the

2121
01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:42,880
moment that technology more or less goes

2122
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:44,320
the direction we're thinking and that

2123
01:20:47,510 --> 01:20:46,080
civilization more or less goes the way

2124
01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:47,520
that we're thinking where we expand

2125
01:20:51,590 --> 01:20:49,520
outward not just to other stars but

2126
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:51,600
around our own star into what we usually

2127
01:20:55,270 --> 01:20:53,440
call a dyson swarm

2128
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:55,280
at that point in time if you start

2129
01:20:58,390 --> 01:20:56,800
talking about civilizations that have

2130
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:58,400
access to the equivalent of a billion

2131
01:21:01,990 --> 01:21:00,159
planetary

2132
01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:02,000
plants with a living area

2133
01:21:06,310 --> 01:21:04,000
um they should actually be able to look

2134
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:06,320
at every last star in the galaxy

2135
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:07,920
simultaneously

2136
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:09,840
uh with much greater detail than we have

2137
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:10,880
now

2138
01:21:14,229 --> 01:21:12,719
without it actually being like a major

2139
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:14,239
budgetary item you know it'll be one of

2140
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:15,760
those things where the local space

2141
01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:18,480
congress only has the you know it's like

2142
01:21:24,390 --> 01:21:21,199
budgeting one observatory um

2143
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:24,400
and at that point if they were around uh

2144
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:25,600
when light from our planet would have

2145
01:21:28,310 --> 01:21:26,800
reached theirs

2146
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:28,320
they should see us they should know

2147
01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:29,520
where they are they don't have to wait

2148
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:31,600
to listen to our radio signals they

2149
01:21:34,630 --> 01:21:32,880
should have been able to scope us out by

2150
01:21:35,990 --> 01:21:34,640
our atmosphere for instance

2151
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:36,000
and they could have been sending flyby

2152
01:21:39,510 --> 01:21:38,400
probes take photos and we say well

2153
01:21:42,149 --> 01:21:39,520
you might not be able to from the

2154
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:42,159
atmosphere radio is certainly a giveaway

2155
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:43,920
but so something like the great wall or

2156
01:21:47,430 --> 01:21:45,840
the pyramids it's somebody builds you

2157
01:21:49,189 --> 01:21:47,440
know we often talk about aliens in terms

2158
01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:49,199
of pyramids and uh

2159
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:50,960
you know a pyramid would be one of the

2160
01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:52,560
most obvious things you could see from

2161
01:21:55,830 --> 01:21:54,400
space you couldn't see it from far off

2162
01:21:57,669 --> 01:21:55,840
and you can't even see the moon landing

2163
01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:57,679
sites from earth and hubble

2164
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:59,520
but if you're in orbit around the planet

2165
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:01,199
if you're gonna fly by with a satellite

2166
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:02,800
you're gonna spot something like that it

2167
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:05,440
sticks out like a sore thumb right and

2168
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:07,600
you know you can't look at the a pyramid

2169
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:08,719
see on the ground and say well i think

2170
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:11,600
that's natural they're going to know

2171
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:12,880
that there's something down there that's

2172
01:22:16,149 --> 01:22:14,880
intelligent and i'd be surprised they

2173
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:16,159
even had to wait that long because they

2174
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:17,440
ought to be able to pick things up from

2175
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:19,600
like that from just things like fire

2176
01:22:23,669 --> 01:22:21,440
that individual bonfire is not likely to

2177
01:22:25,110 --> 01:22:23,679
get scoped out but you start picking out

2178
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:25,120
you know

2179
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:26,719
little tracing indicates inside you look

2180
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:28,159
a bit closer on something like why are

2181
01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:30,000
all these tiny little fires all over

2182
01:22:32,470 --> 01:22:31,760
these horse you know

2183
01:22:34,390 --> 01:22:32,480
so

2184
01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:34,400
they should already have known about us

2185
01:22:37,270 --> 01:22:35,360
um

2186
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:37,280
if they themselves were around obviously

2187
01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:38,960
they can't discover us until they are

2188
01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:41,440
there um but they should have known

2189
01:22:46,229 --> 01:22:43,280
about us a long time ago already if they

2190
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:46,239
were there so we shouldn't be a new

2191
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:48,400
thing to them per se

2192
01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:49,920
and um

2193
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:50,880
you know whenever we talk about them

2194
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:52,480
visiting us we always have to ask what's

2195
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:54,560
their motivation no it's not raw

2196
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:56,560
materials nobody's out there carving up

2197
01:23:00,470 --> 01:22:58,960
every last asteroid and planet right uh

2198
01:23:02,629 --> 01:23:00,480
and you can even suck material out of

2199
01:23:03,750 --> 01:23:02,639
suns they've got way more than what we

2200
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:03,760
have here

2201
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um and um

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01:23:09,270 --> 01:23:08,080
so they're not interested in raw

2203
01:23:11,669 --> 01:23:09,280
materials they have to be interested in

2204
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:11,679
what what does earth have and it's got

2205
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:13,199
really interesting floor and fauna those

2206
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:14,320
are probably gonna be you know for all

2207
01:23:18,149 --> 01:23:16,400
the billions of words out there even the

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01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:18,159
very last one of them has ecosystems

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01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:21,120
which is unlikely um those are all still

2210
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:23,440
going to be fairly unique it is huge

2211
01:23:26,950 --> 01:23:24,960
that numbers is still small compared to

2212
01:23:28,950 --> 01:23:26,960
the number of combinations so they might

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01:23:30,629 --> 01:23:28,960
be coming here to take samples and of

2214
01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:30,639
course earth culture would probably be

2215
01:23:34,070 --> 01:23:32,320
very interesting to them too

2216
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:34,080
and the funniest thing because i was

2217
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:36,000
writing this up recently is looking at a

2218
01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:38,000
motivation to come and visit us if

2219
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:39,520
you're one of those civilizations that's

2220
01:23:43,830 --> 01:23:41,760
into the prime directive star trek style

2221
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:43,840
zoo hypothesis thing of of shielding

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01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:45,679
plants off while they're primitive

2223
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:48,000
that implies you find those cultures

2224
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:49,600
really fascinating which means you

2225
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:52,080
probably have a black market in

2226
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:54,239
like stolen memorabilia

2227
01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:56,000
and if it's like any sort of uh

2228
01:23:59,430 --> 01:23:57,920
regulatory effort we do

2229
01:24:07,350 --> 01:23:59,440
you've probably got people breaking

2230
01:24:12,310 --> 01:24:10,550
that is fascinating that is fascinating

2231
01:24:14,950 --> 01:24:12,320
yeah i've got a i've got a first

2232
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:14,960
printing of rama by arthur c clark no

2233
01:24:17,830 --> 01:24:15,840
way

2234
01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:17,840
yeah yeah that's uh that's a pretty

2235
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:19,280
interesting way to look at it and the

2236
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:20,239
other

2237
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:26,400
what would make earth unique uh there's

2238
01:24:31,910 --> 01:24:28,560
all the gold in the universe out there

2239
01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:31,920
that you know which you know water

2240
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:35,120
well hydrogen is is is not an issue in

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01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:37,440
the universe you know it is the third

2242
01:24:40,709 --> 01:24:39,040
most common material after hydrogen

2243
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:40,719
helium there are quasars that pump out

2244
01:24:45,510 --> 01:24:42,960
entire planetary masses of water from

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01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:45,520
themselves that's right so what would

2246
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:47,920
make us unique well we got good weed

2247
01:24:52,709 --> 01:24:50,239
we've got a great atmosphere it's

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01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:52,719
certainly uh

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01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:54,960
climate wise it would be a good place to

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01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:56,000
hang out

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01:25:01,669 --> 01:24:58,480
but i think you're right just coming by

2252
01:25:03,990 --> 01:25:01,679
and getting samples and going out and

2253
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:04,000
and growing your own plants or things

2254
01:25:09,110 --> 01:25:06,320
that would be unique here

2255
01:25:12,790 --> 01:25:09,120
is is something to travel to earth for

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01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:12,800
hence visitation and probes and and and

2257
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:15,120
so forth not necessarily to take over

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01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:17,600
the planet or to conquer us

2259
01:25:23,189 --> 01:25:20,000
yeah no and the the more important they

2260
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:23,199
place a value on on you know that

2261
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:24,880
that sort of thing the individual

2262
01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:27,280
uniqueness of life or culture the more

2263
01:25:31,189 --> 01:25:28,719
likely they are to want to shield that

2264
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:31,199
from outside influence for a while and

2265
01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:32,800
the more you have a motivation for

2266
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:34,880
people to want to sneak in and do that

2267
01:25:38,310 --> 01:25:37,199
right and uh so you know it we always

2268
01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:38,320
try to look i'm not saying that's what's

2269
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:40,000
happening of course but you always want

2270
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:41,760
to look at what the motivations are and

2271
01:25:46,629 --> 01:25:44,000
what they would do if that was the case

2272
01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:46,639
and uh you know if i was trying to

2273
01:25:50,229 --> 01:25:48,400
abduct people to get dna samples they

2274
01:25:52,149 --> 01:25:50,239
could have got those dna samples a long

2275
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:52,159
time ago we haven't changed that much

2276
01:25:56,310 --> 01:25:54,000
and they could also just you know abduct

2277
01:25:57,510 --> 01:25:56,320
a mailbox instead there's you know a

2278
01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:57,520
thousand letters by people who have

2279
01:26:01,750 --> 01:25:58,880
touched those that's all the dna you

2280
01:26:03,350 --> 01:26:01,760
need right right right and when we come

2281
01:26:06,149 --> 01:26:03,360
back uh we're going to take a break but

2282
01:26:09,510 --> 01:26:06,159
i do want to talk about we the the whole

2283
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:09,520
independence day aspect of this

2284
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:13,199
of of an invasion is something that does

2285
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:14,960
need to be discussed and you do it

2286
01:26:18,149 --> 01:26:16,560
really really well so when we come back

2287
01:26:20,149 --> 01:26:18,159
we're going to do that and also i

2288
01:26:23,590 --> 01:26:20,159
encourage everybody out there

2289
01:26:25,030 --> 01:26:23,600
if you haven't visited uh isaac's uh

2290
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:25,040
youtube channel

2291
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:27,440
start with the fermi paradox compendium

2292
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:30,000
but then after you do that go straight

2293
01:26:34,870 --> 01:26:32,639
to stupid aliens because that is one of

2294
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:34,880
the best presentations

2295
01:26:39,669 --> 01:26:37,679
uh i've ever heard to silence a lot of

2296
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:39,679
people including myself so let's take a

2297
01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:42,000
break right here isaac and when we come

2298
01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:44,960
back we'll pick up where we left off but

2299
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:47,760
we've got to go to why haven't we been

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01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:49,040
invaded

2301
01:26:52,790 --> 01:26:51,040
it's one of the best conversations uh

2302
01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:52,800
that one can have with isaac arthur

2303
01:26:58,510 --> 01:26:54,880
we're gonna do that next stay with us

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01:31:41,910 --> 01:31:40,470
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2390
01:31:52,310 --> 01:31:49,280
you know what let me let me jump in

2391
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really quick isaac is it isaac a arthur

2392
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on twitter

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i i use whichever ones are free at the

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time when you're logging into those

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things there's usually some other isaac

2396
01:32:07,669 --> 01:32:04,639
um let me double check yeah it is isaac

2397
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a arthur underscore between the a's

2398
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there you go there's a lot of other

2399
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isaac arthurs out there you need the a

2400
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in the middle to separate you from the

2401
01:32:17,430 --> 01:32:15,679
uh imposters it's

2402
01:32:18,790 --> 01:32:17,440
actually always someone's there there's

2403
01:32:20,470 --> 01:32:18,800
another isaac arthur he actually looks a

2404
01:32:22,310 --> 01:32:20,480
little bit like me does craft design

2405
01:32:25,030 --> 01:32:22,320
beers on youtube but they're actually

2406
01:32:26,709 --> 01:32:25,040
good videos

2407
01:32:28,629 --> 01:32:26,719
that's a good guy to get to know right

2408
01:32:30,310 --> 01:32:28,639
there that's always meant to look them

2409
01:32:32,709 --> 01:32:30,320
up at some point yeah that's a that's

2410
01:32:33,590 --> 01:32:32,719
your show sponsor if i've ever heard one

2411
01:32:35,590 --> 01:32:33,600
so

2412
01:32:37,189 --> 01:32:35,600
look that's the big question uh that we

2413
01:32:38,550 --> 01:32:37,199
started to touch upon right before the

2414
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:38,560
break is

2415
01:32:44,149 --> 01:32:42,480
if uh the our galaxy and the universe is

2416
01:32:46,070 --> 01:32:44,159
teeming with life and there's advanced

2417
01:32:47,750 --> 01:32:46,080
civilizations out there ten thousand a

2418
01:32:50,550 --> 01:32:47,760
billion years a million years more

2419
01:32:52,070 --> 01:32:50,560
advanced than us then they must be

2420
01:32:54,870 --> 01:32:52,080
having our eye

2421
01:32:57,030 --> 01:32:54,880
on planet earth why haven't they invaded

2422
01:33:00,629 --> 01:32:57,040
and enslaved us

2423
01:33:02,870 --> 01:33:00,639
well um okay i posed two things one

2424
01:33:05,669 --> 01:33:02,880
they would be enlightened beings and

2425
01:33:06,629 --> 01:33:05,679
have moved past uh you know

2426
01:33:09,510 --> 01:33:06,639
death

2427
01:33:11,669 --> 01:33:09,520
but then there's the other side uh that

2428
01:33:13,990 --> 01:33:11,679
maybe they're just not interested and

2429
01:33:17,270 --> 01:33:14,000
there's nothing here for

2430
01:33:20,070 --> 01:33:17,280
for them to enslave and get a benefit

2431
01:33:23,590 --> 01:33:20,080
from but that's the question why haven't

2432
01:33:24,950 --> 01:33:23,600
we been taken over well i mean we've got

2433
01:33:26,629 --> 01:33:24,960
different ways we can look at it i tend

2434
01:33:28,070 --> 01:33:26,639
to assume that the reason we haven't

2435
01:33:30,310 --> 01:33:28,080
been is because nobody is out there able

2436
01:33:33,030 --> 01:33:30,320
to do it yet um but

2437
01:33:34,149 --> 01:33:33,040
if they were you we hear this um oh they

2438
01:33:36,229 --> 01:33:34,159
wouldn't be interested in us they'd be

2439
01:33:38,149 --> 01:33:36,239
so far beyond us and that one never

2440
01:33:39,510 --> 01:33:38,159
holds water to me i could imagine

2441
01:33:40,950 --> 01:33:39,520
there'd be a lot of people out there who

2442
01:33:43,110 --> 01:33:40,960
didn't find this interesting but there

2443
01:33:45,990 --> 01:33:43,120
are people who devote their entire lives

2444
01:33:47,270 --> 01:33:46,000
to studying plants or insects right why

2445
01:33:48,709 --> 01:33:47,280
wouldn't they you know suddenly we could

2446
01:33:51,669 --> 01:33:48,719
talk to them we would everybody talks to

2447
01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:51,679
cats and dogs so i don't like the idea

2448
01:33:55,990 --> 01:33:53,440
that they're just going to find us

2449
01:33:57,750 --> 01:33:56,000
boring as say people visit kansas and

2450
01:33:59,510 --> 01:33:57,760
oklahoma all the time and spy them being

2451
01:34:00,629 --> 01:33:59,520
proverbially boring

2452
01:34:02,390 --> 01:34:00,639
um

2453
01:34:03,910 --> 01:34:02,400
now the they would have invaded us that

2454
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:03,920
one's actually a little bit easier to

2455
01:34:06,870 --> 01:34:04,800
cover

2456
01:34:08,870 --> 01:34:06,880
because the first thing is if if we're

2457
01:34:10,629 --> 01:34:08,880
out there and they're out there either

2458
01:34:11,910 --> 01:34:10,639
we're the first species they ever met

2459
01:34:14,149 --> 01:34:11,920
and they're going to be kind of curious

2460
01:34:15,990 --> 01:34:14,159
about us or they're all over the place

2461
01:34:18,149 --> 01:34:16,000
and if they're all over the place

2462
01:34:20,310 --> 01:34:18,159
then you have to say well if they invade

2463
01:34:21,270 --> 01:34:20,320
us what is everybody else doing

2464
01:34:22,470 --> 01:34:21,280
you know

2465
01:34:24,629 --> 01:34:22,480
we're not going to have some close

2466
01:34:27,110 --> 01:34:24,639
neighbor who's the only one who's there

2467
01:34:28,790 --> 01:34:27,120
either it's just us or it's just us and

2468
01:34:30,550 --> 01:34:28,800
them and we are a bit of a puzzle that

2469
01:34:31,910 --> 01:34:30,560
they are kind of interested in because

2470
01:34:32,950 --> 01:34:31,920
it's the first alien life they've ever

2471
01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:32,960
met either

2472
01:34:37,110 --> 01:34:35,520
um or there's species all over the place

2473
01:34:38,870 --> 01:34:37,120
some which are probably really old and

2474
01:34:40,629 --> 01:34:38,880
powerful and might take offense if

2475
01:34:42,870 --> 01:34:40,639
somebody's just starts blowing up other

2476
01:34:45,110 --> 01:34:42,880
people's plans or enslaving people

2477
01:34:46,470 --> 01:34:45,120
um but then of course there's the other

2478
01:34:48,950 --> 01:34:46,480
motive is

2479
01:34:51,030 --> 01:34:48,960
what is the actual motive to invade to

2480
01:34:53,270 --> 01:34:51,040
study sure i can see that one easy

2481
01:34:55,189 --> 01:34:53,280
enough but they don't need us for slave

2482
01:34:56,950 --> 01:34:55,199
labor they've they've almost got to have

2483
01:34:59,590 --> 01:34:56,960
better robots than we do now you know

2484
01:35:00,470 --> 01:34:59,600
and we don't need it anymore either

2485
01:35:02,550 --> 01:35:00,480
one of the biggest problems about

2486
01:35:04,950 --> 01:35:02,560
getting rid of slavery in the uh in the

2487
01:35:07,270 --> 01:35:04,960
19th century was that many places were

2488
01:35:08,229 --> 01:35:07,280
still dependent on basically forced

2489
01:35:10,550 --> 01:35:08,239
labor

2490
01:35:12,390 --> 01:35:10,560
and it got a lot easier to ban that as

2491
01:35:15,669 --> 01:35:12,400
we got better automation

2492
01:35:17,669 --> 01:35:15,679
what value do we have as label or as

2493
01:35:19,110 --> 01:35:17,679
slaves we really don't have any

2494
01:35:20,310 --> 01:35:19,120
um

2495
01:35:21,590 --> 01:35:20,320
and uh you know they're not going to

2496
01:35:23,350 --> 01:35:21,600
want to grow us for food because they

2497
01:35:25,110 --> 01:35:23,360
could clone us and you know presumably

2498
01:35:26,629 --> 01:35:25,120
they don't actually have to kill people

2499
01:35:28,950 --> 01:35:26,639
to get meat from them

2500
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:28,960
so there's not an obvious motivation to

2501
01:35:33,030 --> 01:35:31,199
invade us to take us over in the classic

2502
01:35:35,110 --> 01:35:33,040
sense the ward and you know that's just

2503
01:35:36,629 --> 01:35:35,120
potentially causing them problems why

2504
01:35:39,350 --> 01:35:36,639
don't most countries invade places

2505
01:35:41,350 --> 01:35:39,360
nowadays the climate the situation

2506
01:35:44,310 --> 01:35:41,360
doesn't really make that

2507
01:35:45,830 --> 01:35:44,320
you know viable either or to do it or to

2508
01:35:48,390 --> 01:35:45,840
want to do it

2509
01:35:49,990 --> 01:35:48,400
and that's that's very technology based

2510
01:35:51,590 --> 01:35:50,000
every culture every race is going to be

2511
01:35:54,310 --> 01:35:51,600
a lot different in their outlook so you

2512
01:35:57,110 --> 01:35:54,320
might have some that were fine with that

2513
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:57,120
but if we assume on the mediocrity

2514
01:36:00,310 --> 01:35:59,040
principle that we are fairly normal and

2515
01:36:03,110 --> 01:36:00,320
we kind of have to make that assumption

2516
01:36:05,030 --> 01:36:03,120
because we only got one case to look at

2517
01:36:06,470 --> 01:36:05,040
then you'd kind of guess there'd be

2518
01:36:08,390 --> 01:36:06,480
people who would be very offended by

2519
01:36:10,070 --> 01:36:08,400
that who might you know take militant

2520
01:36:11,270 --> 01:36:10,080
issue to somebody going around invading

2521
01:36:13,189 --> 01:36:11,280
planets

2522
01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:13,199
and again there's no real motivation to

2523
01:36:18,070 --> 01:36:16,159
do it for sort of obvious benefits uh

2524
01:36:19,430 --> 01:36:18,080
but again using the they're all

2525
01:36:21,189 --> 01:36:19,440
collectors and they want to steal a

2526
01:36:22,870 --> 01:36:21,199
comic book for example

2527
01:36:24,390 --> 01:36:22,880
they might have people sticking claims

2528
01:36:26,790 --> 01:36:24,400
to it because they want

2529
01:36:27,990 --> 01:36:26,800
those cultural artifacts and so it would

2530
01:36:29,910 --> 01:36:28,000
be kind of amusing you could have a

2531
01:36:31,590 --> 01:36:29,920
hidden invasion where some

2532
01:36:32,470 --> 01:36:31,600
you know nation out there some space

2533
01:36:35,270 --> 01:36:32,480
nation

2534
01:36:36,870 --> 01:36:35,280
invaded a planet seizes their own uh

2535
01:36:38,950 --> 01:36:36,880
violently protects it from other people

2536
01:36:42,149 --> 01:36:38,960
coming by and

2537
01:36:44,470 --> 01:36:42,159
you know steals away uh wikipedia or the

2538
01:36:46,229 --> 01:36:44,480
you know best 100 films whatever to sell

2539
01:36:49,109 --> 01:36:46,239
on the market as a war

2540
01:36:51,750 --> 01:36:49,119
um and so it kind of depends what do we

2541
01:36:54,070 --> 01:36:51,760
mean by invasion the classic military

2542
01:36:56,149 --> 01:36:54,080
invasion your independence day scenarios

2543
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:56,159
those don't really walk uh and of course

2544
01:36:59,189 --> 01:36:57,840
they also be very short too you're just

2545
01:37:00,470 --> 01:36:59,199
not going to win if they decide to

2546
01:37:02,390 --> 01:37:00,480
invade that way and they just want us

2547
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:02,400
all dead because you don't have to land

2548
01:37:06,229 --> 01:37:04,560
a fleet to uh to kill everybody you just

2549
01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:06,239
as you say you don't you have to stop at

2550
01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:07,920
the planet you just dump your trash out

2551
01:37:12,629 --> 01:37:09,760
before you arrive and just go around the

2552
01:37:14,709 --> 01:37:12,639
planet and kill everybody

2553
01:37:16,310 --> 01:37:14,719
but the okay so

2554
01:37:17,590 --> 01:37:16,320
now

2555
01:37:20,229 --> 01:37:17,600
the

2556
01:37:22,229 --> 01:37:20,239
this is where for me

2557
01:37:24,790 --> 01:37:22,239
i look at us and i think that we're

2558
01:37:27,350 --> 01:37:24,800
growing up isaac we're maturing in fact

2559
01:37:28,629 --> 01:37:27,360
you just mentioned that in in a strange

2560
01:37:31,990 --> 01:37:28,639
way about

2561
01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:32,000
invading another country even that is

2562
01:37:35,750 --> 01:37:33,360
less and less

2563
01:37:37,910 --> 01:37:35,760
likely as the days move forward for a

2564
01:37:40,070 --> 01:37:37,920
lot of different reasons but another

2565
01:37:42,629 --> 01:37:40,080
reason is that we are maturing hopefully

2566
01:37:45,830 --> 01:37:42,639
one day we won't have guns

2567
01:37:46,709 --> 01:37:45,840
but an intelligent civilization out

2568
01:37:49,109 --> 01:37:46,719
there

2569
01:37:52,310 --> 01:37:49,119
would develop in the same direction and

2570
01:37:53,510 --> 01:37:52,320
maybe would have to move away from a

2571
01:37:56,070 --> 01:37:53,520
warring

2572
01:37:58,390 --> 01:37:56,080
a faction that is out there trying to

2573
01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:58,400
conquer because there are other

2574
01:38:02,629 --> 01:38:00,239
civilizations out there too as well that

2575
01:38:05,910 --> 01:38:02,639
they're in communication with i would

2576
01:38:08,550 --> 01:38:05,920
think and that this is the way of the

2577
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:08,560
universe in the way of the galaxy and

2578
01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:09,520
that

2579
01:38:15,430 --> 01:38:12,480
battling and killing isn't part of an

2580
01:38:17,109 --> 01:38:15,440
enlightened civilization

2581
01:38:18,629 --> 01:38:17,119
i mean i think that's that's probably

2582
01:38:20,870 --> 01:38:18,639
where certainly what i'd like to be true

2583
01:38:22,550 --> 01:38:20,880
is that you know as species get more

2584
01:38:23,510 --> 01:38:22,560
technology they get more mature and

2585
01:38:25,109 --> 01:38:23,520
ethical

2586
01:38:27,430 --> 01:38:25,119
but i you know you really can't take

2587
01:38:29,189 --> 01:38:27,440
that too much for given because their

2588
01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:29,199
idea of what's ethical and all idea i

2589
01:38:32,390 --> 01:38:30,880
mean you go back and read a book from

2590
01:38:34,790 --> 01:38:32,400
the beginning of the 20th century i was

2591
01:38:36,470 --> 01:38:34,800
thinking about h.p lovecraft uh love his

2592
01:38:39,109 --> 01:38:36,480
work one of the first guys to really

2593
01:38:40,229 --> 01:38:39,119
explore the idea of a vast and huge

2594
01:38:42,790 --> 01:38:40,239
universe

2595
01:38:44,310 --> 01:38:42,800
um but man was a racist through and

2596
01:38:45,510 --> 01:38:44,320
through and a lot of people from that

2597
01:38:47,830 --> 01:38:45,520
year of war

2598
01:38:49,750 --> 01:38:47,840
and somebody writing in the 22nd century

2599
01:38:50,790 --> 01:38:49,760
might tend to think we're all barbarians

2600
01:38:52,950 --> 01:38:50,800
too

2601
01:38:54,550 --> 01:38:52,960
and uh they might have a completely

2602
01:38:56,550 --> 01:38:54,560
different scale for how they evaluate

2603
01:38:58,070 --> 01:38:56,560
that try to predict future ethics it's

2604
01:38:59,590 --> 01:38:58,080
usually not going to go over to you know

2605
01:39:01,430 --> 01:38:59,600
too successfully

2606
01:39:03,590 --> 01:39:01,440
so we could have aliens out there who

2607
01:39:05,750 --> 01:39:03,600
hold views that we just find absolutely

2608
01:39:07,189 --> 01:39:05,760
loathsome um

2609
01:39:09,189 --> 01:39:07,199
and uh

2610
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:09,199
i i think though that you do tend to

2611
01:39:13,109 --> 01:39:11,040
probably have to go away from overt

2612
01:39:14,070 --> 01:39:13,119
violence mass skill destruction just

2613
01:39:16,310 --> 01:39:14,080
because

2614
01:39:18,229 --> 01:39:16,320
it's so much easier to blow things up

2615
01:39:20,310 --> 01:39:18,239
than to make them and any technological

2616
01:39:22,390 --> 01:39:20,320
civilization is going to have had to

2617
01:39:23,750 --> 01:39:22,400
confront that that problem

2618
01:39:26,470 --> 01:39:23,760
so regardless whether or not they have

2619
01:39:30,070 --> 01:39:26,480
to be very war-like or not they probably

2620
01:39:31,350 --> 01:39:30,080
don't blow stuff up a lot just because

2621
01:39:33,350 --> 01:39:31,360
that's not going to be the most

2622
01:39:35,750 --> 01:39:33,360
effective way from their perspective to

2623
01:39:37,990 --> 01:39:35,760
go about you know winning things it's

2624
01:39:41,030 --> 01:39:38,000
too too much of an exchange of nukes

2625
01:39:42,390 --> 01:39:41,040
everywhere or anti-matter devices or you

2626
01:39:44,790 --> 01:39:42,400
know scorching a laser from another

2627
01:39:46,550 --> 01:39:44,800
solar system with a niko dyson beam

2628
01:39:47,590 --> 01:39:46,560
that sort of practice

2629
01:39:49,189 --> 01:39:47,600
is

2630
01:39:50,790 --> 01:39:49,199
much too much of a scorched earth

2631
01:39:53,270 --> 01:39:50,800
literally policy

2632
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:53,280
and so hopefully we don't see that much

2633
01:39:57,109 --> 01:39:54,960
of that sort of behavior in the future

2634
01:39:58,790 --> 01:39:57,119
from us or them or whoever

2635
01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:58,800
uh but we can't really rule it out

2636
01:40:02,950 --> 01:40:00,320
either there could be species out there

2637
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:02,960
that are just openly genocidal

2638
01:40:08,709 --> 01:40:05,840
this is the uh 50th anniversary of

2639
01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:08,719
chariots of the gods and i it's hard for

2640
01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:10,000
me to

2641
01:40:16,149 --> 01:40:11,920
wrap my head around that it's been 50

2642
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:16,159
years but it has this is uh 2019

2643
01:40:22,709 --> 01:40:20,239
and the impact that eric had on popular

2644
01:40:24,310 --> 01:40:22,719
culture and the concept of this which

2645
01:40:26,550 --> 01:40:24,320
you brought up h.p lovecraft he

2646
01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:26,560
certainly wrote about this uh

2647
01:40:31,750 --> 01:40:29,920
these theories a hundred years ago but

2648
01:40:33,189 --> 01:40:31,760
that's where we are today how much

2649
01:40:36,070 --> 01:40:33,199
visitation

2650
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:36,080
uh do you think has happened in the past

2651
01:40:41,189 --> 01:40:38,880
and even the distant past on this planet

2652
01:40:42,470 --> 01:40:41,199
well i mean again my stated view on it

2653
01:40:45,350 --> 01:40:42,480
is that there's probably no other

2654
01:40:47,109 --> 01:40:45,360
intelligent species in our galaxy yet so

2655
01:40:48,709 --> 01:40:47,119
i would guess not but if there's anybody

2656
01:40:51,109 --> 01:40:48,719
out there who is doing it then i would

2657
01:40:52,229 --> 01:40:51,119
guess tons it's it's just

2658
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:52,239
you know we'd say one of the issues the

2659
01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:54,880
fermi paradox is not that uh people

2660
01:40:58,310 --> 01:40:56,560
would want to visit earth it's that they

2661
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:58,320
are so likely to want to visit earth

2662
01:41:01,910 --> 01:41:00,159
that it's almost unbelievable that we

2663
01:41:03,669 --> 01:41:01,920
wouldn't see them all the time and of

2664
01:41:05,430 --> 01:41:03,679
course many people feel that we do

2665
01:41:07,109 --> 01:41:05,440
but if they're out there i would take is

2666
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:07,119
it almost a given that they have been

2667
01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:09,840
here so many times it's ridiculous

2668
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:11,760
um and again from my perspective that

2669
01:41:14,709 --> 01:41:13,440
means they're probably not out there but

2670
01:41:16,149 --> 01:41:14,719
if they are

2671
01:41:17,910 --> 01:41:16,159
i just can't imagine why they wouldn't

2672
01:41:19,430 --> 01:41:17,920
have swung by you're not because they'd

2673
01:41:22,070 --> 01:41:19,440
be obsessed with earth but when you're

2674
01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:22,080
talking about massive civilizations of

2675
01:41:24,550 --> 01:41:23,440
who knows how many quintillions of

2676
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:24,560
members

2677
01:41:27,590 --> 01:41:25,360
um

2678
01:41:30,790 --> 01:41:27,600
somebody is going to have written their

2679
01:41:32,550 --> 01:41:30,800
entire thesis on earth even if almost

2680
01:41:34,629 --> 01:41:32,560
nobody even knows what the plan exists

2681
01:41:36,390 --> 01:41:34,639
right you know you just you specialize

2682
01:41:37,430 --> 01:41:36,400
societies you're going to have people

2683
01:41:38,790 --> 01:41:37,440
who are

2684
01:41:40,709 --> 01:41:38,800
all about earth who probably know more

2685
01:41:43,109 --> 01:41:40,719
about earth than we do and they've made

2686
01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:43,119
their entire life career right

2687
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:44,480
you'll have fan clubs that might

2688
01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:47,520
outnumber our entire population

2689
01:41:51,510 --> 01:41:49,360
right right and just because their

2690
01:41:52,709 --> 01:41:51,520
civilizations are so huge that even

2691
01:41:55,350 --> 01:41:52,719
though it's a tiny portion that's

2692
01:41:57,830 --> 01:41:55,360
interested it's still a huge number yeah

2693
01:41:59,830 --> 01:41:57,840
just like uh the japanese and the french

2694
01:42:01,990 --> 01:41:59,840
know more about the blues here in the

2695
01:42:03,830 --> 01:42:02,000
united states than we do

2696
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:03,840
that live here that's a fascinating way

2697
01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:06,960
to look at it and then you um you

2698
01:42:10,149 --> 01:42:08,400
discuss

2699
01:42:11,590 --> 01:42:10,159
in in depth

2700
01:42:13,030 --> 01:42:11,600
many times

2701
01:42:16,070 --> 01:42:13,040
about

2702
01:42:18,709 --> 01:42:16,080
coming here if your focus was on planet

2703
01:42:20,070 --> 01:42:18,719
earth you would spend so much time

2704
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:20,080
getting here

2705
01:42:24,550 --> 01:42:22,560
that you would know everything about

2706
01:42:26,550 --> 01:42:24,560
the earth our languages and everything

2707
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:26,560
about us before you even arrived and

2708
01:42:32,149 --> 01:42:29,280
then so you would have an ability to

2709
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:32,159
to communicate and you would know

2710
01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:33,440
how to build

2711
01:42:38,629 --> 01:42:36,960
a hybrid human to represent

2712
01:42:40,149 --> 01:42:38,639
us here on earth too as well so we

2713
01:42:42,390 --> 01:42:40,159
wouldn't freak out

2714
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:42,400
on android or i mean you know you you

2715
01:42:46,709 --> 01:42:44,400
you have the options there now it might

2716
01:42:48,310 --> 01:42:46,719
be really hard to mimic human behavior

2717
01:42:49,910 --> 01:42:48,320
you know we so much of what we do is is

2718
01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:49,920
something we've learned our whole life

2719
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:52,320
and our brains are wired for a lot of it

2720
01:42:54,790 --> 01:42:53,360
but they should be able to cobble

2721
01:42:56,470 --> 01:42:54,800
together something now they might not be

2722
01:42:57,430 --> 01:42:56,480
able to do something that would pass for

2723
01:42:58,950 --> 01:42:57,440
human

2724
01:43:01,270 --> 01:42:58,960
before they actually landed and took

2725
01:43:02,790 --> 01:43:01,280
samples but almost as soon as they

2726
01:43:03,990 --> 01:43:02,800
they're out there exposed to it they

2727
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:04,000
should be able to replicate something

2728
01:43:07,189 --> 01:43:05,920
like that if they even need to

2729
01:43:09,109 --> 01:43:07,199
um you know we have to say they're

2730
01:43:10,550 --> 01:43:09,119
surveilling us well

2731
01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:10,560
you know we mentioned abducting a

2732
01:43:14,709 --> 01:43:13,119
mailbox oil why not infiltrate an amazon

2733
01:43:16,790 --> 01:43:14,719
warehouse in the middle of night and put

2734
01:43:19,109 --> 01:43:16,800
surveillance tracking gear in every last

2735
01:43:21,030 --> 01:43:19,119
random package

2736
01:43:23,030 --> 01:43:21,040
and that comes your data pool and that's

2737
01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:23,040
a very big one and if you can't mimic

2738
01:43:25,830 --> 01:43:24,400
them after that

2739
01:43:28,229 --> 01:43:25,840
then you probably just can't do it

2740
01:43:30,470 --> 01:43:28,239
period so you'd be stuck just observing

2741
01:43:33,109 --> 01:43:30,480
but it really shouldn't be a problem we

2742
01:43:35,030 --> 01:43:33,119
know we know how to surveil uh we

2743
01:43:37,350 --> 01:43:35,040
obviously we don't really do a lot of uh

2744
01:43:39,270 --> 01:43:37,360
messing about the few uncontacted tribes

2745
01:43:41,350 --> 01:43:39,280
we have but we could surveil them so

2746
01:43:45,030 --> 01:43:41,360
they wouldn't know it was us you know

2747
01:43:46,709 --> 01:43:45,040
um i would not expect us to uh

2748
01:43:48,470 --> 01:43:46,719
to notice if they were doing it with the

2749
01:43:50,629 --> 01:43:48,480
intention of being secret

2750
01:43:52,870 --> 01:43:50,639
um but uh

2751
01:43:56,470 --> 01:43:52,880
they should have a huge data pool on us

2752
01:43:58,149 --> 01:43:56,480
and uh you know they they have access to

2753
01:43:59,510 --> 01:43:58,159
all of our information nowadays because

2754
01:44:01,350 --> 01:43:59,520
we have the internet

2755
01:44:03,430 --> 01:44:01,360
but uh they have to get down here to

2756
01:44:05,669 --> 01:44:03,440
access that but they shouldn't have any

2757
01:44:07,990 --> 01:44:05,679
problem doing that either you land some

2758
01:44:10,550 --> 01:44:08,000
random place send out some human-looking

2759
01:44:12,870 --> 01:44:10,560
androids to go set up a server form or

2760
01:44:15,109 --> 01:44:12,880
you know a download center and now

2761
01:44:18,149 --> 01:44:15,119
you've got all that information with uh

2762
01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:18,159
fast radio bursts which are you know if

2763
01:44:22,390 --> 01:44:20,560
you're a cosmologist these days or an

2764
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:22,400
astrophysicist or

2765
01:44:27,109 --> 01:44:25,440
an astronomer fast radio bursts are

2766
01:44:29,510 --> 01:44:27,119
the trend right now to go out and find

2767
01:44:33,189 --> 01:44:29,520
these things along with exoplanets

2768
01:44:34,470 --> 01:44:33,199
the window of our technology here we've

2769
01:44:36,870 --> 01:44:34,480
had radio

2770
01:44:37,910 --> 01:44:36,880
waves emitting from this planet

2771
01:44:40,870 --> 01:44:37,920
for

2772
01:44:43,350 --> 01:44:40,880
about a hundred years but it's now very

2773
01:44:46,149 --> 01:44:43,360
little of what we do right everything is

2774
01:44:48,629 --> 01:44:46,159
is is wired now our communication is

2775
01:44:51,510 --> 01:44:48,639
wired we still have radio waves but it's

2776
01:44:52,790 --> 01:44:51,520
but we are quickly moving away from it

2777
01:44:55,189 --> 01:44:52,800
as we

2778
01:44:57,430 --> 01:44:55,199
advance as a civilization and maybe in a

2779
01:45:00,790 --> 01:44:57,440
hundred years there will be zero

2780
01:45:02,229 --> 01:45:00,800
radio waves being emitted from here is

2781
01:45:04,310 --> 01:45:02,239
one that i i have to always have to put

2782
01:45:05,669 --> 01:45:04,320
a caveat on is because and it depends on

2783
01:45:07,590 --> 01:45:05,679
what you use to transmit if they got

2784
01:45:08,709 --> 01:45:07,600
something ftl then they probably use

2785
01:45:10,229 --> 01:45:08,719
that but

2786
01:45:11,590 --> 01:45:10,239
you know it's hard to read all signals

2787
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:11,600
nowadays because it can be digitally

2788
01:45:15,510 --> 01:45:12,800
compressed

2789
01:45:16,390 --> 01:45:15,520
but the one thing you're least likely to

2790
01:45:18,950 --> 01:45:16,400
compress

2791
01:45:21,030 --> 01:45:18,960
uh that you want to make loudest too is

2792
01:45:22,950 --> 01:45:21,040
something like your gps system or your

2793
01:45:24,470 --> 01:45:22,960
you know your time and date system right

2794
01:45:25,990 --> 01:45:24,480
and it would not be to me all that weird

2795
01:45:27,430 --> 01:45:26,000
for civilization even when it's been

2796
01:45:30,870 --> 01:45:27,440
around a very long time it has better

2797
01:45:33,109 --> 01:45:30,880
methods to have some really loud beacon

2798
01:45:34,790 --> 01:45:33,119
in the radio spectrum that just shouted

2799
01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:34,800
you're not hello nice to meet you but

2800
01:45:39,270 --> 01:45:37,840
the time is 12 22 p.m over and over

2801
01:45:40,070 --> 01:45:39,280
again you know

2802
01:45:42,149 --> 01:45:40,080
because that's how you get your

2803
01:45:43,910 --> 01:45:42,159
navigational fix and it's that would be

2804
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:43,920
more accurate than using a neutron star

2805
01:45:49,109 --> 01:45:46,800
for instance so some galactic gps would

2806
01:45:49,990 --> 01:45:49,119
you know probably be kicking around

2807
01:45:51,910 --> 01:45:50,000
um

2808
01:45:53,910 --> 01:45:51,920
and once it's out there you don't care

2809
01:45:55,109 --> 01:45:53,920
if it's moving slow because it you

2810
01:45:57,669 --> 01:45:55,119
actually want people to be able to

2811
01:45:59,750 --> 01:45:57,679
calculate off of how fast it's going

2812
01:46:02,070 --> 01:45:59,760
so they might have something better and

2813
01:46:03,590 --> 01:46:02,080
be using that but just because you have

2814
01:46:06,070 --> 01:46:03,600
something better doesn't assume you stop

2815
01:46:07,350 --> 01:46:06,080
using the old system either we still do

2816
01:46:10,229 --> 01:46:07,360
snail mail

2817
01:46:11,910 --> 01:46:10,239
even though we have email you know and

2818
01:46:13,109 --> 01:46:11,920
a lot of our mediums as we advance new

2819
01:46:15,189 --> 01:46:13,119
ones they always say oh it's going to

2820
01:46:16,870 --> 01:46:15,199
kill off the so video killed the radio

2821
01:46:18,550 --> 01:46:16,880
star well what are we doing right now

2822
01:46:20,950 --> 01:46:18,560
you know

2823
01:46:22,950 --> 01:46:20,960
40 years ago yeah but that's exactly

2824
01:46:25,189 --> 01:46:22,960
right and so

2825
01:46:26,709 --> 01:46:25,199
the fast radio bursts that we are

2826
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:26,719
picking up now

2827
01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:29,679
if they were uh signals of from an

2828
01:46:35,510 --> 01:46:31,760
ancient civilization

2829
01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:35,520
what segment of their development are we

2830
01:46:38,070 --> 01:46:37,040
detecting here

2831
01:46:39,510 --> 01:46:38,080
right

2832
01:46:40,950 --> 01:46:39,520
yeah it would have to be pretty decently

2833
01:46:42,950 --> 01:46:40,960
far ahead though because just because

2834
01:46:44,870 --> 01:46:42,960
you were playing with an entire sun to

2835
01:46:46,629 --> 01:46:44,880
try to make it bulk out radio signals

2836
01:46:48,390 --> 01:46:46,639
that's that's a lot of manpower and

2837
01:46:50,390 --> 01:46:48,400
resources to be thrown not necessarily

2838
01:46:52,629 --> 01:46:50,400
high tech it's just it's it's like the

2839
01:46:55,030 --> 01:46:52,639
great wall of china it's a project you

2840
01:46:57,990 --> 01:46:55,040
do uh with a lot of people it's not hard

2841
01:46:59,910 --> 01:46:58,000
it's just big you know well and by the

2842
01:47:01,669 --> 01:46:59,920
time that we detect it

2843
01:47:02,550 --> 01:47:01,679
are they still there

2844
01:47:04,870 --> 01:47:02,560
right

2845
01:47:06,629 --> 01:47:04,880
i hope so um i mean they they will

2846
01:47:09,430 --> 01:47:06,639
change if you're looking at a fast radio

2847
01:47:12,070 --> 01:47:09,440
bus from 10 000 light years away

2848
01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:12,080
10 000 years ago i mean we we were a

2849
01:47:15,830 --> 01:47:13,920
fairly advanced civilization already 10

2850
01:47:17,189 --> 01:47:15,840
000 years ago but you know not nothing

2851
01:47:18,149 --> 01:47:17,199
like we are now

2852
01:47:20,390 --> 01:47:18,159
um

2853
01:47:21,990 --> 01:47:20,400
and uh they will have changed a lot and

2854
01:47:23,590 --> 01:47:22,000
hopefully they would still be around

2855
01:47:25,270 --> 01:47:23,600
that's one of those other fermi paradox

2856
01:47:27,910 --> 01:47:25,280
solutions is that you know life is

2857
01:47:29,669 --> 01:47:27,920
common but it kills itself off a lot

2858
01:47:31,830 --> 01:47:29,679
and i think once you actually get into

2859
01:47:33,510 --> 01:47:31,840
space that becomes fairly unlikely just

2860
01:47:35,990 --> 01:47:33,520
because it's like trying to exterminate

2861
01:47:37,510 --> 01:47:36,000
a virus you can get the host easily

2862
01:47:39,189 --> 01:47:37,520
enough you know you go blow up the the

2863
01:47:40,550 --> 01:47:39,199
planet as well kill the person who's got

2864
01:47:42,229 --> 01:47:40,560
it but it's already gone and spread

2865
01:47:44,470 --> 01:47:42,239
other places by then

2866
01:47:46,950 --> 01:47:44,480
and uh and since we're intelligent we'll

2867
01:47:48,390 --> 01:47:46,960
know what not to do over again so

2868
01:47:50,070 --> 01:47:48,400
i think

2869
01:47:51,430 --> 01:47:50,080
once we're off earth with something

2870
01:47:53,510 --> 01:47:51,440
that's actually a sustainable colony

2871
01:47:55,270 --> 01:47:53,520
unlike the moon or mars we can probably

2872
01:47:57,430 --> 01:47:55,280
rule out that civilizations blow

2873
01:47:58,790 --> 01:47:57,440
themselves up a lot or rather they

2874
01:48:00,229 --> 01:47:58,800
exterminate themselves that way i

2875
01:48:02,470 --> 01:48:00,239
imagine they probably do blow themselves

2876
01:48:05,830 --> 01:48:02,480
up a lot but not fatally so

2877
01:48:08,870 --> 01:48:05,840
and with this uh distant the the vast

2878
01:48:12,790 --> 01:48:08,880
distances that we are talking about here

2879
01:48:14,390 --> 01:48:12,800
the the ships that would be used and i

2880
01:48:16,629 --> 01:48:14,400
want to talk about the generational

2881
01:48:19,990 --> 01:48:16,639
craft because that's exactly what arthur

2882
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:20,000
c clarke presented to as well in rama

2883
01:48:25,990 --> 01:48:23,040
your presentation is spot on but what

2884
01:48:27,669 --> 01:48:26,000
about the flip side of that which like

2885
01:48:28,470 --> 01:48:27,679
if we go to

2886
01:48:31,270 --> 01:48:28,480
uh

2887
01:48:33,350 --> 01:48:31,280
dune for instance where now we are

2888
01:48:36,790 --> 01:48:33,360
folding space and we're not actually

2889
01:48:39,430 --> 01:48:36,800
traveling these vast distances but

2890
01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:39,440
uh we have figured out a way to close

2891
01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:42,560
that gap and and make space travel

2892
01:48:46,149 --> 01:48:44,159
instantaneous

2893
01:48:48,790 --> 01:48:46,159
that actually changes your colonization

2894
01:48:49,990 --> 01:48:48,800
profile completely um i

2895
01:48:52,070 --> 01:48:50,000
frank orbit was never entirely

2896
01:48:53,270 --> 01:48:52,080
consistent about the setting but uh i

2897
01:48:54,790 --> 01:48:53,280
think at one point you mentioned it

2898
01:48:56,149 --> 01:48:54,800
wasn't even sure if the plants and that

2899
01:48:57,990 --> 01:48:56,159
were in the same universe so there might

2900
01:49:00,310 --> 01:48:58,000
be parallel realities

2901
01:49:01,990 --> 01:49:00,320
um you know if you can just forward

2902
01:49:04,149 --> 01:49:02,000
space to a location and it doesn't

2903
01:49:06,149 --> 01:49:04,159
matter how far away it is you don't

2904
01:49:08,550 --> 01:49:06,159
expand outward as a loose sphere you

2905
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:08,560
might have your second colony in a

2906
01:49:12,390 --> 01:49:10,480
different galaxy you just go for the

2907
01:49:14,149 --> 01:49:12,400
lowest hanging fruit same applies for if

2908
01:49:16,870 --> 01:49:14,159
you're going to copy clones of earth

2909
01:49:19,750 --> 01:49:16,880
that are uninhabited in inaudible

2910
01:49:21,270 --> 01:49:19,760
uh your empire might sprawl all over the

2911
01:49:23,030 --> 01:49:21,280
place and

2912
01:49:24,550 --> 01:49:23,040
in because it's closer to get to the

2913
01:49:28,149 --> 01:49:24,560
surface of another planet as a war than

2914
01:49:30,070 --> 01:49:28,159
to fly the closest star right and um you

2915
01:49:31,590 --> 01:49:30,080
know june being a great example of that

2916
01:49:32,870 --> 01:49:31,600
we don't really know what the the empire

2917
01:49:34,709 --> 01:49:32,880
looks like there though i think they do

2918
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:34,719
eventually say it's a galactic empire

2919
01:49:37,510 --> 01:49:36,080
which is something i never liked when

2920
01:49:39,910 --> 01:49:37,520
they revised that

2921
01:49:41,350 --> 01:49:39,920
um and two trading plans that are close

2922
01:49:42,629 --> 01:49:41,360
partners might actually be on the side

2923
01:49:43,990 --> 01:49:42,639
of the galaxy with millions of other

2924
01:49:45,669 --> 01:49:44,000
plants in between that were inhabited

2925
01:49:46,550 --> 01:49:45,679
just because that's how the trade routes

2926
01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:46,560
went

2927
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:48,960
um and then that's you say that's

2928
01:49:51,510 --> 01:49:50,400
probably not possible i don't think

2929
01:49:53,910 --> 01:49:51,520
we're ever going to figure out a way to

2930
01:49:56,629 --> 01:49:53,920
travel faster than light but if we do

2931
01:49:58,229 --> 01:49:56,639
the method for how you do it is going to

2932
01:50:00,070 --> 01:49:58,239
you know going to dominate how you

2933
01:50:00,950 --> 01:50:00,080
actually go about traveling through

2934
01:50:03,109 --> 01:50:00,960
space

2935
01:50:05,750 --> 01:50:03,119
uh the lql warp drive for instance its

2936
01:50:07,910 --> 01:50:05,760
maximum speed is is i think millions of

2937
01:50:09,430 --> 01:50:07,920
light years a second on paper

2938
01:50:11,669 --> 01:50:09,440
so you know you are traveling to the

2939
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:11,679
other side of the galaxy

2940
01:50:15,430 --> 01:50:13,440
almost instantly and you're traveling to

2941
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:15,440
other galaxies very easily

2942
01:50:19,750 --> 01:50:17,920
and so distance no longer has any effect

2943
01:50:21,990 --> 01:50:19,760
you colonize by whichever ones are the

2944
01:50:24,790 --> 01:50:22,000
easiest ones to colonize

2945
01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:24,800
and when we uh when we look at the

2946
01:50:30,229 --> 01:50:26,480
original uh

2947
01:50:33,669 --> 01:50:30,239
uh ufo hypothesis which is

2948
01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:33,679
a nuts and bolts you know physical craft

2949
01:50:38,310 --> 01:50:36,080
traveling these great distances

2950
01:50:40,070 --> 01:50:38,320
and i've always had problems with you

2951
01:50:42,070 --> 01:50:40,080
know a little flying saucer with a

2952
01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:42,080
little e.t in it where do they sleep

2953
01:50:46,070 --> 01:50:44,320
where's the food

2954
01:50:48,950 --> 01:50:46,080
you know and traveling

2955
01:50:50,950 --> 01:50:48,960
unless uh they came from a bigger ship

2956
01:50:53,990 --> 01:50:50,960
number one that we didn't see but the

2957
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:54,000
other thing is well because it's easy

2958
01:50:58,629 --> 01:50:56,400
they've got something else figured out

2959
01:51:01,750 --> 01:50:58,639
here that we don't have any concept of

2960
01:51:04,470 --> 01:51:01,760
and it's it's way beyond our imagination

2961
01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:04,480
that it's just quite frankly easy

2962
01:51:09,350 --> 01:51:06,960
to travel these great distances

2963
01:51:11,030 --> 01:51:09,360
nobody would imagine you know uh a

2964
01:51:14,470 --> 01:51:11,040
thousand years ago that if you want to

2965
01:51:15,990 --> 01:51:14,480
do a visit to la or to new york city

2966
01:51:18,070 --> 01:51:16,000
that you would just get in a car and

2967
01:51:19,910 --> 01:51:18,080
drive there after an afternoon or an

2968
01:51:22,149 --> 01:51:19,920
evening on the road or hop on an

2969
01:51:23,830 --> 01:51:22,159
airplane and do it uh if you got a big

2970
01:51:25,109 --> 01:51:23,840
mothership it's probably not landing on

2971
01:51:26,470 --> 01:51:25,119
the planet that's just a lot of

2972
01:51:28,390 --> 01:51:26,480
dissipation of heat and it's obviously

2973
01:51:30,550 --> 01:51:28,400
not very covert and so you probably

2974
01:51:32,149 --> 01:51:30,560
would then send down small shuttles and

2975
01:51:33,189 --> 01:51:32,159
those could be very compact because they

2976
01:51:34,709 --> 01:51:33,199
really only need to have room for the

2977
01:51:36,149 --> 01:51:34,719
person in them they probably have very

2978
01:51:37,589 --> 01:51:36,159
good automation that could build

2979
01:51:39,350 --> 01:51:37,599
anything they really needed uh while

2980
01:51:41,189 --> 01:51:39,360
they were down on the ground

2981
01:51:42,550 --> 01:51:41,199
uh you know some very high tech for 3d

2982
01:51:44,550 --> 01:51:42,560
printing so they wouldn't necessarily be

2983
01:51:46,390 --> 01:51:44,560
big spaceships at all indeed a space

2984
01:51:48,550 --> 01:51:46,400
probe might be something the size of a

2985
01:51:49,990 --> 01:51:48,560
paperback that's just full of compressed

2986
01:51:51,750 --> 01:51:50,000
machinery that's going to come out and

2987
01:51:53,510 --> 01:51:51,760
make copies of itself

2988
01:51:55,270 --> 01:51:53,520
um following the blueprint to set up

2989
01:51:58,149 --> 01:51:55,280
some big observatory or whatever it

2990
01:51:59,910 --> 01:51:58,159
chooses to do right and you know you can

2991
01:52:01,510 --> 01:51:59,920
hide those too you know you might say

2992
01:52:02,950 --> 01:52:01,520
well it's building probes on the planet

2993
01:52:04,629 --> 01:52:02,960
but it might be building them just

2994
01:52:06,629 --> 01:52:04,639
underneath the ground or some kind of

2995
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:06,639
you know vague thin network you can't

2996
01:52:08,870 --> 01:52:08,000
even see

2997
01:52:10,629 --> 01:52:08,880
and

2998
01:52:12,310 --> 01:52:10,639
we don't know how that ftl travel would

2999
01:52:14,550 --> 01:52:12,320
work if it did we can talk about if it

3000
01:52:16,709 --> 01:52:14,560
doesn't but if it did

3001
01:52:18,229 --> 01:52:16,719
they might not need spaceships because

3002
01:52:21,510 --> 01:52:18,239
and i think peter hamilton did this in

3003
01:52:22,950 --> 01:52:21,520
his um uh combo saga they don't they

3004
01:52:24,310 --> 01:52:22,960
travel between plants but they just do

3005
01:52:26,149 --> 01:52:24,320
it from ground to ground same as in

3006
01:52:27,910 --> 01:52:26,159
stargate they set up a train that runs

3007
01:52:31,030 --> 01:52:27,920
through a wormhole on the surface of two

3008
01:52:34,709 --> 01:52:31,040
planets you know ships involved

3009
01:52:37,830 --> 01:52:34,719
exactly and i i've always thought

3010
01:52:41,430 --> 01:52:37,840
that if you if we us

3011
01:52:43,189 --> 01:52:41,440
are going to go out and and discover

3012
01:52:45,669 --> 01:52:43,199
well we're not going to do it with us

3013
01:52:47,990 --> 01:52:45,679
being on board you and i isaac we're

3014
01:52:50,070 --> 01:52:48,000
going to have probes and now and you've

3015
01:52:51,910 --> 01:52:50,080
brought up 3d printing so many in so

3016
01:52:53,669 --> 01:52:51,920
many of your presentations

3017
01:52:58,550 --> 01:52:53,679
that

3018
01:53:01,430 --> 01:52:58,560
would build as you go you would build

3019
01:53:03,750 --> 01:53:01,440
the probes as you go you would go out

3020
01:53:06,950 --> 01:53:03,760
you could go and figure out the entire

3021
01:53:09,589 --> 01:53:06,960
galaxy very quickly by building as you

3022
01:53:11,510 --> 01:53:09,599
go and and that's how the exploration

3023
01:53:14,950 --> 01:53:11,520
would happen and log

3024
01:53:15,990 --> 01:53:14,960
each uh planet and and solar system as

3025
01:53:19,510 --> 01:53:16,000
you went

3026
01:53:21,990 --> 01:53:19,520
by uh 3d printing and building as you

3027
01:53:23,589 --> 01:53:22,000
come across the resources

3028
01:53:25,189 --> 01:53:23,599
and it doesn't take all that much i mean

3029
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:25,199
we don't know that every source is going

3030
01:53:29,189 --> 01:53:26,880
to have a big plan around it but how

3031
01:53:32,390 --> 01:53:29,199
much material do you need to build a few

3032
01:53:34,229 --> 01:53:32,400
more probes to each stop right and um

3033
01:53:35,669 --> 01:53:34,239
you know you can pack a lot into a probe

3034
01:53:37,589 --> 01:53:35,679
there is a minimum size you can make a

3035
01:53:39,109 --> 01:53:37,599
spaceship because of all the radiation

3036
01:53:41,510 --> 01:53:39,119
collision issues that doesn't let you

3037
01:53:43,750 --> 01:53:41,520
send out something even if you can store

3038
01:53:45,430 --> 01:53:43,760
entire consciousnesses on something the

3039
01:53:46,629 --> 01:53:45,440
size of a uh

3040
01:53:48,550 --> 01:53:46,639
an atom

3041
01:53:50,310 --> 01:53:48,560
you can't build a spaceship that smaller

3042
01:53:52,709 --> 01:53:50,320
it needs to be a decently big or we're

3043
01:53:55,669 --> 01:53:52,719
talking at least the size of a an suv

3044
01:53:57,910 --> 01:53:55,679
right um that's still nothing for matter

3045
01:53:59,669 --> 01:53:57,920
one any one random asteroid not even one

3046
01:54:01,750 --> 01:53:59,679
of the big ones with names

3047
01:54:04,229 --> 01:54:01,760
has enough material in it to build uh

3048
01:54:05,830 --> 01:54:04,239
such probes to go to every single solar

3049
01:54:07,270 --> 01:54:05,840
system in the galaxy

3050
01:54:09,830 --> 01:54:07,280
so you don't really have to invest a lot

3051
01:54:11,910 --> 01:54:09,840
of mass even if you decide you want to

3052
01:54:13,270 --> 01:54:11,920
conserve mass then at the next stop they

3053
01:54:14,149 --> 01:54:13,280
build more

3054
01:54:16,229 --> 01:54:14,159
um

3055
01:54:18,950 --> 01:54:16,239
but those probes don't have to be too

3056
01:54:21,750 --> 01:54:18,960
simple either as an example let's say i

3057
01:54:23,350 --> 01:54:21,760
had scanned copies of a resource team

3058
01:54:25,109 --> 01:54:23,360
the same research team on every probe

3059
01:54:26,070 --> 01:54:25,119
too 100 or so people who are exports to

3060
01:54:27,990 --> 01:54:26,080
everything

3061
01:54:29,189 --> 01:54:28,000
and when a pro provides it finds

3062
01:54:31,830 --> 01:54:29,199
anything interesting

3063
01:54:33,990 --> 01:54:31,840
it builds an android body for that

3064
01:54:35,990 --> 01:54:34,000
expert and that uploads that mind

3065
01:54:37,830 --> 01:54:36,000
available to that android and bam you've

3066
01:54:39,030 --> 01:54:37,840
got your export there on site they don't

3067
01:54:40,790 --> 01:54:39,040
have to travel to make the additional

3068
01:54:42,709 --> 01:54:40,800
trip right

3069
01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:42,719
and they just send the information home

3070
01:54:46,870 --> 01:54:44,560
and that's it and they're constantly

3071
01:54:48,310 --> 01:54:46,880
logging that's it just logging and one

3072
01:54:51,270 --> 01:54:48,320
of the

3073
01:54:54,070 --> 01:54:51,280
uh aspects of when you watch like star

3074
01:54:56,310 --> 01:54:54,080
trek especially the original series or

3075
01:54:57,589 --> 01:54:56,320
you know what orville is is really good

3076
01:54:59,350 --> 01:54:57,599
by the way i don't know if you can check

3077
01:55:00,790 --> 01:54:59,360
that it's really really about the first

3078
01:55:02,070 --> 01:55:00,800
couple episodes i didn't like it then i

3079
01:55:03,589 --> 01:55:02,080
re-watched it and it was great yeah yeah

3080
01:55:05,350 --> 01:55:03,599
yeah that's exactly about lost in space

3081
01:55:07,270 --> 01:55:05,360
too i i didn't like the reboot

3082
01:55:09,430 --> 01:55:07,280
forcefully episodes that grew on

3083
01:55:11,030 --> 01:55:09,440
i i can't wait for the second season of

3084
01:55:13,030 --> 01:55:11,040
loss in space it's going to be great but

3085
01:55:14,950 --> 01:55:13,040
there's one thing that they point out

3086
01:55:15,750 --> 01:55:14,960
over and over again that we lose sight

3087
01:55:18,629 --> 01:55:15,760
of

3088
01:55:22,070 --> 01:55:18,639
the they are discovering planets

3089
01:55:24,390 --> 01:55:22,080
and and stars that weren't logged before

3090
01:55:26,470 --> 01:55:24,400
or weren't named and that would have to

3091
01:55:30,709 --> 01:55:26,480
be the way that it is if we're dealing

3092
01:55:33,669 --> 01:55:30,719
with literally trillions right it's just

3093
01:55:36,390 --> 01:55:33,679
that's all you are uh out there doing is

3094
01:55:37,910 --> 01:55:36,400
discovering new systems

3095
01:55:39,750 --> 01:55:37,920
yeah no and i mean we might be able to

3096
01:55:41,109 --> 01:55:39,760
discover almost all of them here we have

3097
01:55:43,350 --> 01:55:41,119
something called the uh zone of

3098
01:55:45,350 --> 01:55:43,360
avoidance which sounds much cooler than

3099
01:55:46,629 --> 01:55:45,360
it is it's the chunk of the galaxy we

3100
01:55:47,990 --> 01:55:46,639
can't see because the center of the

3101
01:55:49,750 --> 01:55:48,000
galaxy's in the way

3102
01:55:50,950 --> 01:55:49,760
um the second zone avoidance the other

3103
01:55:52,149 --> 01:55:50,960
one is the one right underneath our feet

3104
01:55:53,189 --> 01:55:52,159
from the earth

3105
01:55:54,790 --> 01:55:53,199
um

3106
01:55:56,310 --> 01:55:54,800
but uh

3107
01:55:57,669 --> 01:55:56,320
you know we are going to have to get out

3108
01:56:00,149 --> 01:55:57,679
there and take a quick look at a lot of

3109
01:56:01,109 --> 01:56:00,159
these places much closer up they say

3110
01:56:02,629 --> 01:56:01,119
well you could build a big enough

3111
01:56:04,470 --> 01:56:02,639
telescope and you can build some

3112
01:56:07,189 --> 01:56:04,480
monstrous telescopes in space i mean

3113
01:56:08,709 --> 01:56:07,199
plant-sized thin ones if you want to

3114
01:56:10,390 --> 01:56:08,719
but it's still going to be so much

3115
01:56:11,990 --> 01:56:10,400
easier to send something out there as

3116
01:56:13,990 --> 01:56:12,000
we're saying with like the moon landings

3117
01:56:15,350 --> 01:56:14,000
for instance hubble cannot see the moon

3118
01:56:17,669 --> 01:56:15,360
landing side so there's anything more

3119
01:56:20,070 --> 01:56:17,679
than one blurry pixel

3120
01:56:21,430 --> 01:56:20,080
um and that's our best telescope well

3121
01:56:23,589 --> 01:56:21,440
not anymore but it's one of our best

3122
01:56:24,470 --> 01:56:23,599
telescopes and the moon is really really

3123
01:56:25,589 --> 01:56:24,480
close

3124
01:56:27,109 --> 01:56:25,599
um

3125
01:56:28,470 --> 01:56:27,119
if you want to get good data on these

3126
01:56:30,390 --> 01:56:28,480
places you're going to need to send a

3127
01:56:32,390 --> 01:56:30,400
ship out there and it's either going to

3128
01:56:34,070 --> 01:56:32,400
be flying by at near relativistic speed

3129
01:56:35,189 --> 01:56:34,080
with just enough time to take one photo

3130
01:56:37,990 --> 01:56:35,199
as it were

3131
01:56:39,669 --> 01:56:38,000
or it's going to have to stop slow down

3132
01:56:41,030 --> 01:56:39,679
and look at the place and if you've got

3133
01:56:43,030 --> 01:56:41,040
a probe that's actually stopped and

3134
01:56:44,709 --> 01:56:43,040
slowed down and that's been designed to

3135
01:56:45,510 --> 01:56:44,719
repair itself and it's nice and high

3136
01:56:47,030 --> 01:56:45,520
tech

3137
01:56:48,870 --> 01:56:47,040
you'd kind of expect to go ahead and do

3138
01:56:51,669 --> 01:56:48,880
some kind of landing and produce more

3139
01:56:53,910 --> 01:56:51,679
probes on the spot to take closer looks

3140
01:56:55,830 --> 01:56:53,920
and again if it's borderline artificial

3141
01:56:57,830 --> 01:56:55,840
intelligence why not send along

3142
01:56:59,270 --> 01:56:57,840
scouting teams that way too

3143
01:57:01,270 --> 01:56:59,280
but these automated probes don't really

3144
01:57:02,629 --> 01:57:01,280
get there any faster than you or i will

3145
01:57:04,470 --> 01:57:02,639
they they have an advantage on

3146
01:57:05,750 --> 01:57:04,480
acceleration basically they get the same

3147
01:57:07,830 --> 01:57:05,760
top speed

3148
01:57:09,830 --> 01:57:07,840
so you might just send regular old

3149
01:57:11,270 --> 01:57:09,840
people on a colony ship they it's not

3150
01:57:13,109 --> 01:57:11,280
that hard to build one with that kind of

3151
01:57:15,030 --> 01:57:13,119
technology if you've got that tech you

3152
01:57:16,709 --> 01:57:15,040
can send normal people too

3153
01:57:18,390 --> 01:57:16,719
so you could easily have huge

3154
01:57:20,390 --> 01:57:18,400
exploration missions that went and

3155
01:57:23,830 --> 01:57:20,400
visited these systems and colonized them

3156
01:57:25,750 --> 01:57:23,840
if they was if they were so inclined

3157
01:57:27,430 --> 01:57:25,760
and you're you know you're not gonna

3158
01:57:29,350 --> 01:57:27,440
have a civilization really anymore

3159
01:57:30,870 --> 01:57:29,360
that's a single civilization but same as

3160
01:57:32,950 --> 01:57:30,880
the hunter gatherers spreading from you

3161
01:57:35,030 --> 01:57:32,960
know asia to north america want a single

3162
01:57:37,350 --> 01:57:35,040
civilization they will get spread out

3163
01:57:38,950 --> 01:57:37,360
there and they'll mutate and diverge

3164
01:57:40,470 --> 01:57:38,960
which i'll say with aliens if they if

3165
01:57:42,390 --> 01:57:40,480
they don't exist yet

3166
01:57:43,910 --> 01:57:42,400
wait a million years and they will it

3167
01:57:46,470 --> 01:57:43,920
just they might have originated from

3168
01:57:48,070 --> 01:57:46,480
earth they'll still be alien to us

3169
01:57:50,149 --> 01:57:48,080
because that's a lot of divergence even

3170
01:57:51,830 --> 01:57:50,159
without throwing in uh you know

3171
01:57:53,430 --> 01:57:51,840
artificial routes like cybernetics or

3172
01:57:54,229 --> 01:57:53,440
genetic engineering

3173
01:57:55,510 --> 01:57:54,239
so

3174
01:57:58,149 --> 01:57:55,520
this is just the question is are we the

3175
01:57:59,910 --> 01:57:58,159
first ones there and is everyone if not

3176
01:58:01,510 --> 01:57:59,920
going to act the same way we would or

3177
01:58:03,830 --> 01:58:01,520
close enough that we can predict their

3178
01:58:05,510 --> 01:58:03,840
behavior but there's so many plants out

3179
01:58:07,350 --> 01:58:05,520
there and that's just our galaxy we're

3180
01:58:08,709 --> 01:58:07,360
not limited to our galaxy universe does

3181
01:58:11,430 --> 01:58:08,719
not stop there

3182
01:58:13,030 --> 01:58:11,440
and uh you can keep going after that

3183
01:58:15,669 --> 01:58:13,040
there are stars between the galaxies

3184
01:58:17,589 --> 01:58:15,679
even when you look at the original we've

3185
01:58:20,149 --> 01:58:17,599
got 30 seconds i'll just make a quick

3186
01:58:21,270 --> 01:58:20,159
comment um when you look at the original

3187
01:58:24,310 --> 01:58:21,280
hubble

3188
01:58:26,550 --> 01:58:24,320
uh shots which are just a little tiny

3189
01:58:28,470 --> 01:58:26,560
little piece of everything

3190
01:58:31,030 --> 01:58:28,480
and and you blow that up and everything

3191
01:58:33,270 --> 01:58:31,040
that we thought were stars are galaxies

3192
01:58:35,910 --> 01:58:33,280
and galaxy clusters

3193
01:58:38,070 --> 01:58:35,920
infinite right it's just a great and it

3194
01:58:40,070 --> 01:58:38,080
might actually be infinite you might

3195
01:58:41,589 --> 01:58:40,080
see a certain distance there's nothing

3196
01:58:44,070 --> 01:58:41,599
to indicate the universe ends at that

3197
01:58:46,629 --> 01:58:44,080
area it might be infinite in size it's

3198
01:58:48,870 --> 01:58:46,639
crazy when you think about that because

3199
01:58:51,830 --> 01:58:48,880
each one is a hundred billion two

3200
01:58:53,750 --> 01:58:51,840
hundred billion the the numbers uh and

3201
01:58:57,030 --> 01:58:53,760
those are the what's inside of each

3202
01:58:58,790 --> 01:58:57,040
galaxy and then there are literally

3203
01:59:00,870 --> 01:58:58,800
hundreds of billions maybe even a

3204
01:59:03,430 --> 01:59:00,880
trillion or an infinite amount of

3205
01:59:05,350 --> 01:59:03,440
galaxies it blows my mind absolutely

3206
01:59:08,229 --> 01:59:05,360
blows my mind let's take a break it's

3207
01:59:10,390 --> 01:59:08,239
really big it's really big

3208
01:59:11,990 --> 01:59:10,400
our guest tonight isaac arthur when we

3209
01:59:14,070 --> 01:59:12,000
come back we're going to continue the

3210
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conversation but i want to talk a little

3211
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sci-fi and we're going to do that next

3212
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in gaming there's a method to my madness

3213
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3309
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02:04:07,350 --> 02:04:02,800
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3316
02:04:16,709 --> 02:04:07,360
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3317
02:04:20,550 --> 02:04:18,629
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3318
02:04:22,870 --> 02:04:20,560
fade to black i'm your host jimmy church

3319
02:04:24,550 --> 02:04:22,880
tonight isaac arthur is here

3320
02:04:27,589 --> 02:04:24,560
been waiting for this conversation for a

3321
02:04:29,189 --> 02:04:27,599
very long time and i'm a little uh i'm a

3322
02:04:30,709 --> 02:04:29,199
little overwhelmed

3323
02:04:33,109 --> 02:04:30,719
i need to uh

3324
02:04:35,589 --> 02:04:33,119
i need to ground myself again and i'm

3325
02:04:36,629 --> 02:04:35,599
gonna do it with this isaac this is

3326
02:04:40,870 --> 02:04:36,639
where

3327
02:04:43,109 --> 02:04:40,880
uh my mind loses itself with with all of

3328
02:04:45,830 --> 02:04:43,119
these concepts and it's this

3329
02:04:48,390 --> 02:04:45,840
it's the concept of the hive mind

3330
02:04:52,870 --> 02:04:48,400
and i'm going to take it a step further

3331
02:04:54,950 --> 02:04:52,880
the sci-fi science fiction uh community

3332
02:04:59,990 --> 02:04:54,960
the gaming community

3333
02:05:02,709 --> 02:05:00,000
dwarfs our ufology conspiracy community

3334
02:05:05,589 --> 02:05:02,719
and and each week i speak to literally

3335
02:05:08,790 --> 02:05:05,599
millions of in our community

3336
02:05:09,990 --> 02:05:08,800
and what is out there beyond uh our

3337
02:05:11,030 --> 02:05:10,000
community

3338
02:05:12,950 --> 02:05:11,040
uh

3339
02:05:14,629 --> 02:05:12,960
that doesn't even know about coast to

3340
02:05:15,669 --> 02:05:14,639
coast a.m or fade to black right they

3341
02:05:20,550 --> 02:05:15,679
don't know

3342
02:05:24,149 --> 02:05:20,560
but the conversations of alien tech and

3343
02:05:28,149 --> 02:05:24,159
the the complexities of all of this to

3344
02:05:30,149 --> 02:05:28,159
get a book written or to get a game done

3345
02:05:31,750 --> 02:05:30,159
all of these concepts

3346
02:05:34,390 --> 02:05:31,760
are considered

3347
02:05:36,470 --> 02:05:34,400
and the question of alien life and how

3348
02:05:39,550 --> 02:05:36,480
they get here or how we would travel to

3349
02:05:42,709 --> 02:05:39,560
the stars in this technology is all

3350
02:05:45,510 --> 02:05:42,719
encapsulated in these in these concepts

3351
02:05:49,430 --> 02:05:45,520
and ideas and i i believe that it's a

3352
02:05:51,990 --> 02:05:49,440
hive mind concept that um alien life out

3353
02:05:54,870 --> 02:05:52,000
there is an accepted uh

3354
02:05:57,350 --> 02:05:54,880
an accepted reality and everybody

3355
02:06:00,390 --> 02:05:57,360
studies this and it reflects back into

3356
02:06:02,550 --> 02:06:00,400
your work as well

3357
02:06:05,030 --> 02:06:02,560
i think uh and we always say with a hive

3358
02:06:06,470 --> 02:06:05,040
mind um you say

3359
02:06:07,990 --> 02:06:06,480
could we have a hive of mind one day and

3360
02:06:10,229 --> 02:06:08,000
say well we've had a hive mind for quite

3361
02:06:12,070 --> 02:06:10,239
some time the basic concept behind human

3362
02:06:13,350 --> 02:06:12,080
intelligence is that we specialize and

3363
02:06:15,350 --> 02:06:13,360
we network

3364
02:06:17,109 --> 02:06:15,360
uh and then we invented writing we

3365
02:06:18,950 --> 02:06:17,119
certainly could include no hive mind

3366
02:06:20,709 --> 02:06:18,960
dead people as well they become part of

3367
02:06:23,189 --> 02:06:20,719
the mixture someone doesn't have to be

3368
02:06:24,470 --> 02:06:23,199
there anymore to uh to speak to us they

3369
02:06:25,990 --> 02:06:24,480
could be on another continent they could

3370
02:06:28,149 --> 02:06:26,000
be dead for a century

3371
02:06:29,830 --> 02:06:28,159
we get these you know that's basically

3372
02:06:31,189 --> 02:06:29,840
called that calm you know communities

3373
02:06:32,950 --> 02:06:31,199
right from the get-go

3374
02:06:34,790 --> 02:06:32,960
um but that's kind of how that can

3375
02:06:36,709 --> 02:06:34,800
advance and and to what degree it would

3376
02:06:38,470 --> 02:06:36,719
is uh is certainly going to depend on

3377
02:06:40,470 --> 02:06:38,480
the individual we were talking about

3378
02:06:42,629 --> 02:06:40,480
gaming you know it's uh to me gaming is

3379
02:06:44,629 --> 02:06:42,639
still pen and paper dungeons and dragons

3380
02:06:47,830 --> 02:06:44,639
with the dice but i guess these days it

3381
02:06:49,430 --> 02:06:47,840
means more video games um you know the

3382
02:06:51,030 --> 02:06:49,440
science fiction the gaming community

3383
02:06:53,030 --> 02:06:51,040
fantasy or sci-fi

3384
02:06:55,430 --> 02:06:53,040
is where so many of these ideas do

3385
02:06:56,550 --> 02:06:55,440
actually end up getting explored so

3386
02:06:58,390 --> 02:06:56,560
a lot of times with the channel we

3387
02:07:00,470 --> 02:06:58,400
always like to you know we say the the

3388
02:07:02,390 --> 02:07:00,480
science inspires the science fiction and

3389
02:07:04,870 --> 02:07:02,400
the art which come back and inspire

3390
02:07:07,109 --> 02:07:04,880
people to go into the sciences and to

3391
02:07:09,750 --> 02:07:07,119
support the sciences and it's just it's

3392
02:07:12,310 --> 02:07:09,760
a constant feedback loop it is and i

3393
02:07:14,390 --> 02:07:12,320
believe it's it's the hive mind and we

3394
02:07:16,709 --> 02:07:14,400
don't even unders we don't even know we

3395
02:07:20,310 --> 02:07:16,719
talk about the hive mind but it is

3396
02:07:21,669 --> 02:07:20,320
actually happening constantly

3397
02:07:23,990 --> 02:07:21,679
yeah it just depends on the method for

3398
02:07:26,229 --> 02:07:24,000
doing it i mean author c clock of course

3399
02:07:29,350 --> 02:07:26,239
a lot of the sci-fi in the 50s 60s and

3400
02:07:30,629 --> 02:07:29,360
70s were really into telepathy um that's

3401
02:07:32,229 --> 02:07:30,639
kind of gone away from in science

3402
02:07:33,990 --> 02:07:32,239
fiction these days i think because we

3403
02:07:37,109 --> 02:07:34,000
can see it emerging

3404
02:07:38,709 --> 02:07:37,119
as more of the technological telepathy

3405
02:07:40,550 --> 02:07:38,719
where you can connect to people

3406
02:07:42,709 --> 02:07:40,560
instantly you know the bandwidth we use

3407
02:07:44,790 --> 02:07:42,719
that right now is speech and audio and

3408
02:07:46,550 --> 02:07:44,800
text but that's likely to mutate into

3409
02:07:48,149 --> 02:07:46,560
something much more direct and high

3410
02:07:49,030 --> 02:07:48,159
bandwidth in the future

3411
02:07:51,189 --> 02:07:49,040
um

3412
02:07:52,950 --> 02:07:51,199
and where that stops you know where that

3413
02:07:55,109 --> 02:07:52,960
goes there are so many different options

3414
02:07:57,189 --> 02:07:55,119
and it's not which one will happen but

3415
02:08:00,069 --> 02:07:57,199
more likely all of them would happen you

3416
02:08:01,990 --> 02:08:00,079
might have big classic sci-fi hive minds

3417
02:08:03,350 --> 02:08:02,000
like the borg or you might just have

3418
02:08:04,709 --> 02:08:03,360
communities where people are very used

3419
02:08:07,030 --> 02:08:04,719
to talk to each other from the other

3420
02:08:08,149 --> 02:08:07,040
side of the planet instantly you know

3421
02:08:10,149 --> 02:08:08,159
we just don't know how that's going to

3422
02:08:12,470 --> 02:08:10,159
happen but it you do get such great

3423
02:08:14,950 --> 02:08:12,480
communities popping up nowadays because

3424
02:08:16,390 --> 02:08:14,960
of that early hive mind aspect

3425
02:08:18,709 --> 02:08:16,400
i don't have to find that one person in

3426
02:08:21,030 --> 02:08:18,719
my town who shares my hobbies anymore i

3427
02:08:22,950 --> 02:08:21,040
can find the 10 000 people on the planet

3428
02:08:25,109 --> 02:08:22,960
who share my one really bizarre hobby

3429
02:08:27,430 --> 02:08:25,119
that only one million people enjoy

3430
02:08:30,470 --> 02:08:27,440
and you know all my one interest

3431
02:08:33,189 --> 02:08:30,480
and that's only going to keep getting

3432
02:08:34,550 --> 02:08:33,199
easier and better as time goes on

3433
02:08:36,390 --> 02:08:34,560
what do we do

3434
02:08:38,229 --> 02:08:36,400
when we talk about this concept of the

3435
02:08:41,430 --> 02:08:38,239
hive mind

3436
02:08:44,470 --> 02:08:41,440
and also start to incorporate our other

3437
02:08:47,589 --> 02:08:44,480
scientific realities today which is

3438
02:08:50,310 --> 02:08:47,599
quantum quantum computing entanglement

3439
02:08:51,910 --> 02:08:50,320
you brought up tachyons earlier and

3440
02:08:54,709 --> 02:08:51,920
instant uh

3441
02:08:56,950 --> 02:08:54,719
reactions at the atomic level

3442
02:09:00,229 --> 02:08:56,960
instant not not faster than the speed of

3443
02:09:04,310 --> 02:09:00,239
light but faster than that instant

3444
02:09:06,870 --> 02:09:04,320
across vast infinite distances

3445
02:09:07,990 --> 02:09:06,880
could there be communication that is

3446
02:09:11,510 --> 02:09:08,000
happening

3447
02:09:13,189 --> 02:09:11,520
uh with an alien civilization here in in

3448
02:09:16,069 --> 02:09:13,199
in the now now that we don't even

3449
02:09:19,510 --> 02:09:16,079
realize that it's coming from

3450
02:09:20,870 --> 02:09:19,520
another galaxy possibly uh spooky action

3451
02:09:22,790 --> 02:09:20,880
at distance and we don't know that's

3452
02:09:24,470 --> 02:09:22,800
necessarily instantaneous just that's

3453
02:09:25,990 --> 02:09:24,480
fast and light it's always hard to prove

3454
02:09:27,350 --> 02:09:26,000
something that you know is zero or

3455
02:09:29,350 --> 02:09:27,360
infinity as a wall

3456
02:09:31,350 --> 02:09:29,360
um the problem with the quantum

3457
02:09:34,069 --> 02:09:31,360
entanglement spooky action distance is

3458
02:09:35,669 --> 02:09:34,079
while that does happen faster than light

3459
02:09:37,589 --> 02:09:35,679
as best as we can tell the only

3460
02:09:39,669 --> 02:09:37,599
information that sends is basically the

3461
02:09:41,910 --> 02:09:39,679
single bit of up or down

3462
02:09:43,510 --> 02:09:41,920
and you can't predict it what it's going

3463
02:09:45,350 --> 02:09:43,520
to come out as you can observe it but

3464
02:09:46,950 --> 02:09:45,360
you can't predict it which makes it

3465
02:09:48,390 --> 02:09:46,960
really hard and no one's really thought

3466
02:09:49,910 --> 02:09:48,400
of a method yet to actually send

3467
02:09:51,270 --> 02:09:49,920
information that way

3468
02:09:53,510 --> 02:09:51,280
somebody might figure out how to do it

3469
02:09:54,790 --> 02:09:53,520
down the road but at the moment it

3470
02:09:56,149 --> 02:09:54,800
doesn't look like we can use that for

3471
02:09:58,550 --> 02:09:56,159
communication

3472
02:10:00,310 --> 02:09:58,560
uh if you can though all of a sudden

3473
02:10:02,870 --> 02:10:00,320
you've got a galactic internet because

3474
02:10:04,550 --> 02:10:02,880
you got galactic speed travel

3475
02:10:06,069 --> 02:10:04,560
and if you don't have the spaceships do

3476
02:10:08,310 --> 02:10:06,079
it you can start sending people around

3477
02:10:10,229 --> 02:10:08,320
it's just digitally decompressed data

3478
02:10:11,750 --> 02:10:10,239
um although that's going to take a huge

3479
02:10:12,870 --> 02:10:11,760
amount of bandwidth and we don't know

3480
02:10:15,109 --> 02:10:12,880
what the bandwidth on something like

3481
02:10:17,510 --> 02:10:15,119
that would be but even if it was just

3482
02:10:20,390 --> 02:10:17,520
basic text like a old school you know

3483
02:10:22,790 --> 02:10:20,400
one kilobyte per second modem right that

3484
02:10:24,870 --> 02:10:22,800
changes the game an awful lot and even

3485
02:10:26,149 --> 02:10:24,880
if it's not instantaneous but just much

3486
02:10:28,390 --> 02:10:26,159
faster than light

3487
02:10:30,310 --> 02:10:28,400
you know it's a game changer on how we

3488
02:10:32,629 --> 02:10:30,320
would expect civilizations to roll out

3489
02:10:34,550 --> 02:10:32,639
and how they go about observing things

3490
02:10:36,550 --> 02:10:34,560
you do not need a very big sensor or

3491
02:10:38,870 --> 02:10:36,560
probe on a planet for instance if you

3492
02:10:41,030 --> 02:10:38,880
can relay instantaneously back and forth

3493
02:10:43,030 --> 02:10:41,040
to central command what you want that

3494
02:10:46,149 --> 02:10:43,040
pro to look at and do

3495
02:10:48,709 --> 02:10:46,159
um well i want to i want to i i want to

3496
02:10:50,470 --> 02:10:48,719
discuss teleportation and

3497
02:10:52,870 --> 02:10:50,480
you know what your

3498
02:11:01,589 --> 02:10:52,880
your take on it is daunting it kind of

3499
02:11:05,189 --> 02:11:03,910
so we're going to get to teleportation

3500
02:11:08,870 --> 02:11:05,199
uh but

3501
02:11:11,990 --> 02:11:08,880
they're the phenomena of people on this

3502
02:11:14,390 --> 02:11:12,000
planet of which there are millions

3503
02:11:16,069 --> 02:11:14,400
that are channeling

3504
02:11:18,470 --> 02:11:16,079
something

3505
02:11:20,550 --> 02:11:18,480
when you hear about this and i know that

3506
02:11:21,910 --> 02:11:20,560
you've uh you know you've heard enough

3507
02:11:24,390 --> 02:11:21,920
about you know channeling different

3508
02:11:26,310 --> 02:11:24,400
species or palladians or

3509
02:11:28,550 --> 02:11:26,320
zeta reticuli right and they're they're

3510
02:11:31,430 --> 02:11:28,560
channeling an et

3511
02:11:33,109 --> 02:11:31,440
uh presence and they're conveying that

3512
02:11:35,430 --> 02:11:33,119
information back to us here on earth and

3513
02:11:37,109 --> 02:11:35,440
they've got a message for us ultimately

3514
02:11:39,910 --> 02:11:37,119
what do you think is going on is it the

3515
02:11:42,790 --> 02:11:39,920
possibility of some type of entanglement

3516
02:11:46,310 --> 02:11:42,800
and communication that et is figured out

3517
02:11:48,950 --> 02:11:46,320
and we are just uh you know uh bumping

3518
02:11:50,550 --> 02:11:48,960
into the radio signals if you were but

3519
02:11:53,109 --> 02:11:50,560
what do you think is happening with that

3520
02:11:54,629 --> 02:11:53,119
too many people are doing it for it to

3521
02:11:55,669 --> 02:11:54,639
be uh

3522
02:11:59,270 --> 02:11:55,679
uh

3523
02:12:00,870 --> 02:11:59,280
insanity right a mental issue

3524
02:12:02,629 --> 02:12:00,880
well and you know this is the thing on

3525
02:12:04,229 --> 02:12:02,639
stuff like that is they say well you

3526
02:12:05,990 --> 02:12:04,239
can't accuse everybody of being wrong or

3527
02:12:07,669 --> 02:12:06,000
being a liar and of course i would

3528
02:12:09,350 --> 02:12:07,679
imagine some people do lie about it

3529
02:12:11,030 --> 02:12:09,360
there's always some folks who would but

3530
02:12:12,790 --> 02:12:11,040
uh there are people who lied about going

3531
02:12:15,910 --> 02:12:12,800
to california i still believe california

3532
02:12:17,430 --> 02:12:15,920
exists right um but it doesn't say mean

3533
02:12:18,950 --> 02:12:17,440
they're right or they got the idea right

3534
02:12:20,550 --> 02:12:18,960
too and i don't think they'd claim that

3535
02:12:22,069 --> 02:12:20,560
either i mean this is a mysterious thing

3536
02:12:23,910 --> 02:12:22,079
that's going on to

3537
02:12:25,589 --> 02:12:23,920
them so they don't know how it works

3538
02:12:27,270 --> 02:12:25,599
they just think that it does

3539
02:12:29,030 --> 02:12:27,280
there's a lot of holes that women have

3540
02:12:30,149 --> 02:12:29,040
plugged for maybe that to make sense a

3541
02:12:32,229 --> 02:12:30,159
concept

3542
02:12:33,510 --> 02:12:32,239
if we don't know how the ftl thing is

3543
02:12:35,350 --> 02:12:33,520
working that someone's using to

3544
02:12:37,030 --> 02:12:35,360
communicate we can't say how it would

3545
02:12:39,430 --> 02:12:37,040
actually manifest

3546
02:12:41,270 --> 02:12:39,440
but you would expect in a case like that

3547
02:12:43,430 --> 02:12:41,280
that uh if you're talking to someone far

3548
02:12:45,510 --> 02:12:43,440
away they would if they're sending an

3549
02:12:48,069 --> 02:12:45,520
intentional message want that message to

3550
02:12:50,149 --> 02:12:48,079
be believed so you know if i was trying

3551
02:12:52,550 --> 02:12:50,159
to talk to a civilization like ours from

3552
02:12:54,229 --> 02:12:52,560
you know the 25th century whatever i'd

3553
02:12:56,390 --> 02:12:54,239
probably be sending them stuff that they

3554
02:12:58,550 --> 02:12:56,400
could not possibly you know that they

3555
02:13:01,030 --> 02:12:58,560
could verify and i have a really easy

3556
02:13:03,750 --> 02:13:01,040
way to do that if i'm far away because

3557
02:13:05,270 --> 02:13:03,760
i'm back in time to them right they are

3558
02:13:07,030 --> 02:13:05,280
going to be able to look at a phenomenon

3559
02:13:09,189 --> 02:13:07,040
that i saw earlier that the light hasn't

3560
02:13:11,510 --> 02:13:09,199
reached us yet from and say

3561
02:13:12,629 --> 02:13:11,520
oh so if i predict a supernova that i've

3562
02:13:14,229 --> 02:13:12,639
already seen

3563
02:13:16,790 --> 02:13:14,239
but they won't see for another decade i

3564
02:13:19,589 --> 02:13:16,800
can say look at the sky on you know

3565
02:13:20,790 --> 02:13:19,599
october 12 2021 there will be a

3566
02:13:22,550 --> 02:13:20,800
supernova

3567
02:13:25,430 --> 02:13:22,560
when that happens that you've pretty

3568
02:13:26,470 --> 02:13:25,440
much proven that beyond any reasonable

3569
02:13:28,390 --> 02:13:26,480
doubt especially if you're doing this

3570
02:13:29,669 --> 02:13:28,400
multiple times or if you send

3571
02:13:31,510 --> 02:13:29,679
information this is how you build a

3572
02:13:32,950 --> 02:13:31,520
fusion reactor but even just those

3573
02:13:34,870 --> 02:13:32,960
observations

3574
02:13:36,629 --> 02:13:34,880
you can tell them you know this signal

3575
02:13:38,310 --> 02:13:36,639
will arrive at this point in time this

3576
02:13:39,750 --> 02:13:38,320
star will do this at this point in time

3577
02:13:41,669 --> 02:13:39,760
this one will flare at this point in

3578
02:13:43,830 --> 02:13:41,679
time and you will see them at these

3579
02:13:45,910 --> 02:13:43,840
times we already saw them you know the

3580
02:13:47,750 --> 02:13:45,920
light hasn't reached you yet that is

3581
02:13:50,229 --> 02:13:47,760
such a dead

3582
02:13:52,149 --> 02:13:50,239
perfect proof of what's going on

3583
02:13:52,870 --> 02:13:52,159
that nobody's gonna you know argue with

3584
02:14:01,589 --> 02:13:52,880
that

3585
02:14:02,790 --> 02:14:01,599
along those lines if i can think of a

3586
02:14:04,790 --> 02:14:02,800
way to do that off the top of my head

3587
02:14:07,109 --> 02:14:04,800
they can probably think of a better one

3588
02:14:09,430 --> 02:14:07,119
um but they can use that one

3589
02:14:11,430 --> 02:14:09,440
why aren't they yeah it wouldn't be if

3590
02:14:14,950 --> 02:14:11,440
the yankees won

3591
02:14:17,030 --> 02:14:14,960
the world series and 20 they wouldn't

3592
02:14:19,189 --> 02:14:17,040
have that information but they would

3593
02:14:21,270 --> 02:14:19,199
have something that would be uh from the

3594
02:14:22,790 --> 02:14:21,280
heavens interstellar

3595
02:14:24,550 --> 02:14:22,800
something we could see that the light

3596
02:14:26,149 --> 02:14:24,560
got to us a little bit later you know

3597
02:14:27,910 --> 02:14:26,159
they know we're gonna see it at this

3598
02:14:29,189 --> 02:14:27,920
time and they just tell us to look out

3599
02:14:31,830 --> 02:14:29,199
for it you know

3600
02:14:33,830 --> 02:14:31,840
um and uh that's how you go about

3601
02:14:35,589 --> 02:14:33,840
proving something like that and so it

3602
02:14:37,990 --> 02:14:35,599
goes to motivations assuming they exist

3603
02:14:40,229 --> 02:14:38,000
to have motivations what is their goal

3604
02:14:42,229 --> 02:14:40,239
why are they doing this and if they were

3605
02:14:43,510 --> 02:14:42,239
using those motivations what method

3606
02:14:45,109 --> 02:14:43,520
would they use

3607
02:14:46,149 --> 02:14:45,119
if they want us to know something if

3608
02:14:47,270 --> 02:14:46,159
they were intentionally sending us

3609
02:14:49,109 --> 02:14:47,280
messages

3610
02:14:51,910 --> 02:14:49,119
then they sh they should as we just

3611
02:14:53,750 --> 02:14:51,920
showed have some very easy ways to prove

3612
02:14:55,750 --> 02:14:53,760
it if they want it proven we don't know

3613
02:14:57,750 --> 02:14:55,760
what they do it could be a prankster it

3614
02:14:59,270 --> 02:14:57,760
could be an anthropologist it could be

3615
02:15:00,229 --> 02:14:59,280
you know some lone rebel group that

3616
02:15:01,669 --> 02:15:00,239
really doesn't want to give away what

3617
02:15:03,430 --> 02:15:01,679
their location is so they're not going

3618
02:15:05,910 --> 02:15:03,440
to be too exact but what data they're

3619
02:15:07,669 --> 02:15:05,920
doing and and that's any given one of

3620
02:15:09,990 --> 02:15:07,679
these theories though we have to look at

3621
02:15:11,750 --> 02:15:10,000
what the motive for that would be and

3622
02:15:13,350 --> 02:15:11,760
how they would proceed and if it doesn't

3623
02:15:15,350 --> 02:15:13,360
hold up consistently it puts a mark

3624
02:15:17,189 --> 02:15:15,360
against that theory

3625
02:15:19,030 --> 02:15:17,199
let's bum everybody out and talk some

3626
02:15:21,350 --> 02:15:19,040
teleportation

3627
02:15:23,270 --> 02:15:21,360
now you're uh

3628
02:15:24,550 --> 02:15:23,280
okay i want you to

3629
02:15:26,069 --> 02:15:24,560
this is going to be off of the top of

3630
02:15:29,669 --> 02:15:26,079
your head i don't think you've got this

3631
02:15:33,510 --> 02:15:29,679
data in front of you but you did uh

3632
02:15:37,350 --> 02:15:33,520
talk about the amount of information

3633
02:15:38,790 --> 02:15:37,360
that would need to be uh

3634
02:15:41,430 --> 02:15:38,800
streamed

3635
02:15:43,990 --> 02:15:41,440
from our own body to reconstruct

3636
02:15:46,310 --> 02:15:44,000
and you spewed out these numbers in your

3637
02:15:47,990 --> 02:15:46,320
presentation and i went well there goes

3638
02:15:50,149 --> 02:15:48,000
that idea

3639
02:15:52,149 --> 02:15:50,159
it is a lot of data yeah it's a lie and

3640
02:15:53,990 --> 02:15:52,159
i mean bandwidth wise

3641
02:15:56,229 --> 02:15:54,000
if you're trying to transmit a human's

3642
02:15:58,390 --> 02:15:56,239
memory that actually might not be too

3643
02:16:00,550 --> 02:15:58,400
big um we don't know what the processing

3644
02:16:02,149 --> 02:16:00,560
power of a human brain is but what's

3645
02:16:03,430 --> 02:16:02,159
stored on there especially because you

3646
02:16:05,430 --> 02:16:03,440
could probably get away compressing a

3647
02:16:08,149 --> 02:16:05,440
lot you might be able to send that in

3648
02:16:09,669 --> 02:16:08,159
something relatively small i mean maybe

3649
02:16:11,910 --> 02:16:09,679
even something that we could store

3650
02:16:13,669 --> 02:16:11,920
nowadays in the terabyte range but

3651
02:16:15,430 --> 02:16:13,679
that's still a lot of bandwidth you

3652
02:16:17,270 --> 02:16:15,440
think about uh new horizons the probe

3653
02:16:19,189 --> 02:16:17,280
that just uh just went by ultimate

3654
02:16:20,950 --> 02:16:19,199
toulet a few days back

3655
02:16:22,629 --> 02:16:20,960
um that thing is going to take some

3656
02:16:24,310 --> 02:16:22,639
photographs they're going to take two

3657
02:16:26,629 --> 02:16:24,320
years to transmit back to us because

3658
02:16:29,189 --> 02:16:26,639
it's transmitting at about one kilobyte

3659
02:16:30,390 --> 02:16:29,199
a second wow

3660
02:16:31,589 --> 02:16:30,400
and it's not because we just you know

3661
02:16:33,990 --> 02:16:31,599
it's not that old attack that thing

3662
02:16:37,349 --> 02:16:34,000
launched in 2005 with the best we had at

3663
02:16:40,230 --> 02:16:37,359
the time right um it's just that the

3664
02:16:42,629 --> 02:16:40,240
power needed to send the signal uh even

3665
02:16:43,910 --> 02:16:42,639
with huge dishes listening to it

3666
02:16:45,830 --> 02:16:43,920
uh is

3667
02:16:47,750 --> 02:16:45,840
enormous to you know to send a single

3668
02:16:49,990 --> 02:16:47,760
byte that we're going to pick up

3669
02:16:52,309 --> 02:16:50,000
and so it has to send that data really

3670
02:16:54,389 --> 02:16:52,319
slow and it doesn't have that much power

3671
02:16:55,750 --> 02:16:54,399
and you can ramp the power up a lot i

3672
02:16:57,589 --> 02:16:55,760
mean it hasn't had much power because

3673
02:17:00,549 --> 02:16:57,599
it's got a really tiny power source a

3674
02:17:02,309 --> 02:17:00,559
planet another solar system has to ramp

3675
02:17:05,110 --> 02:17:02,319
that power up even more but they would

3676
02:17:06,070 --> 02:17:05,120
have gigantic reactors to do that with

3677
02:17:09,349 --> 02:17:06,080
um

3678
02:17:11,429 --> 02:17:09,359
body

3679
02:17:13,429 --> 02:17:11,439
now what what kind of bandwidth what

3680
02:17:16,469 --> 02:17:13,439
kind of feels up hugely yeah and we're

3681
02:17:17,589 --> 02:17:16,479
potentially talking about needing to use

3682
02:17:19,589 --> 02:17:17,599
potentially

3683
02:17:21,750 --> 02:17:19,599
i mean that could be up in the 10 to 24

3684
02:17:23,429 --> 02:17:21,760
bytes or more and you could compress a

3685
02:17:25,589 --> 02:17:23,439
lot of that too i mean it's a lot of

3686
02:17:27,270 --> 02:17:25,599
it's you know repeated data someone

3687
02:17:28,629 --> 02:17:27,280
might not be okay with being compressed

3688
02:17:30,709 --> 02:17:28,639
though

3689
02:17:33,110 --> 02:17:30,719
um but we don't even have all the same

3690
02:17:34,870 --> 02:17:33,120
dna for each of our individual cells if

3691
02:17:37,750 --> 02:17:34,880
you actually wanted to send a blueprint

3692
02:17:39,910 --> 02:17:37,760
of every last atom in someone's body in

3693
02:17:42,790 --> 02:17:39,920
terms of what it was and where it was

3694
02:17:44,389 --> 02:17:42,800
we have something like uh 30 trillion

3695
02:17:45,589 --> 02:17:44,399
cells something along those lines and

3696
02:17:47,509 --> 02:17:45,599
each one of those cells is like a

3697
02:17:49,429 --> 02:17:47,519
trillion atoms in it

3698
02:17:51,750 --> 02:17:49,439
you're talking about a packet that would

3699
02:17:53,349 --> 02:17:51,760
need a terabyte line and would take

3700
02:17:55,349 --> 02:17:53,359
still um

3701
02:17:56,870 --> 02:17:55,359
decades to send even at that speed you

3702
02:17:59,270 --> 02:17:56,880
know at

3703
02:18:01,110 --> 02:17:59,280
at 100 times faster than the fastest

3704
02:18:03,110 --> 02:18:01,120
publicly available internet it still is

3705
02:18:05,750 --> 02:18:03,120
going to need centuries to send a single

3706
02:18:07,270 --> 02:18:05,760
person yeah and that's problematic when

3707
02:18:09,509 --> 02:18:07,280
you're using for a laser too because

3708
02:18:11,110 --> 02:18:09,519
those things spread out over distance so

3709
02:18:13,270 --> 02:18:11,120
you want to avoid signal noise you do

3710
02:18:16,150 --> 02:18:13,280
still have a bandwidth limit

3711
02:18:17,830 --> 02:18:16,160
so i to understand what you just said so

3712
02:18:21,509 --> 02:18:17,840
you've got uh

3713
02:18:22,790 --> 02:18:21,519
25 trillion cells in in our body okay

3714
02:18:24,549 --> 02:18:22,800
that's one

3715
02:18:26,870 --> 02:18:24,559
daunting figure

3716
02:18:28,230 --> 02:18:26,880
but what's inside of each one of those

3717
02:18:29,669 --> 02:18:28,240
cells

3718
02:18:31,750 --> 02:18:29,679
trillions of individuals so i mean just

3719
02:18:34,230 --> 02:18:31,760
the dna code alone is a billion of those

3720
02:18:35,990 --> 02:18:34,240
now to be fair you can compress a lot

3721
02:18:38,790 --> 02:18:36,000
you really don't need to have an exact

3722
02:18:40,070 --> 02:18:38,800
copy of every last strand of dna because

3723
02:18:42,230 --> 02:18:40,080
even though most of us have one little

3724
02:18:43,990 --> 02:18:42,240
mutation off from each other

3725
02:18:45,270 --> 02:18:44,000
you can send just that mutation or you

3726
02:18:47,270 --> 02:18:45,280
don't have to send it i don't really

3727
02:18:49,190 --> 02:18:47,280
care if one of my cells arise with a

3728
02:18:51,589 --> 02:18:49,200
different dna packet than had before if

3729
02:18:53,270 --> 02:18:51,599
it's still one of my dna strands it's

3730
02:18:54,150 --> 02:18:53,280
just a little different

3731
02:18:56,389 --> 02:18:54,160
um

3732
02:18:57,509 --> 02:18:56,399
but so you don't have to set a perfect

3733
02:18:59,589 --> 02:18:57,519
copy

3734
02:19:01,349 --> 02:18:59,599
but that gets in the question of how

3735
02:19:03,270 --> 02:19:01,359
perfect a copy needs to be to be the

3736
02:19:05,110 --> 02:19:03,280
original person too

3737
02:19:07,910 --> 02:19:05,120
and so if you're trying to send all

3738
02:19:09,190 --> 02:19:07,920
those last data states and you know you

3739
02:19:10,709 --> 02:19:09,200
might have a choice you might have to

3740
02:19:12,389 --> 02:19:10,719
send the entire you know when i take a

3741
02:19:14,629 --> 02:19:12,399
photograph of someone i don't get to

3742
02:19:15,910 --> 02:19:14,639
photoshop that photo i'm taking their

3743
02:19:17,349 --> 02:19:15,920
exact data

3744
02:19:19,030 --> 02:19:17,359
if that's the way you capture that

3745
02:19:21,270 --> 02:19:19,040
information then you have to transmit it

3746
02:19:22,629 --> 02:19:21,280
that way too and that would require a

3747
02:19:24,150 --> 02:19:22,639
ton of bandwidth and we'll talk about

3748
02:19:25,509 --> 02:19:24,160
something like quantum entanglement as a

3749
02:19:27,030 --> 02:19:25,519
way of sending teleport you know

3750
02:19:28,150 --> 02:19:27,040
teleporting people

3751
02:19:31,110 --> 02:19:28,160
that is

3752
02:19:32,469 --> 02:19:31,120
entangling every last single atom in

3753
02:19:34,549 --> 02:19:32,479
their body

3754
02:19:36,469 --> 02:19:34,559
will get like a thousand i think is our

3755
02:19:38,870 --> 02:19:36,479
court record for entangling atoms at the

3756
02:19:41,030 --> 02:19:38,880
same time that's under a very controlled

3757
02:19:42,950 --> 02:19:41,040
circumstance right i don't even know how

3758
02:19:43,910 --> 02:19:42,960
you would go about doing that but if you

3759
02:19:46,870 --> 02:19:43,920
could

3760
02:19:48,150 --> 02:19:46,880
that's you know again that's a massive

3761
02:19:49,510 --> 02:19:48,160
massive thing and then the kind of

3762
02:19:51,510 --> 02:19:49,520
computing power need to do something

3763
02:19:52,469 --> 02:19:51,520
like that is just

3764
02:19:57,349 --> 02:19:52,479
obscene

3765
02:19:59,910 --> 02:19:57,359
end of that it's the amount of time that

3766
02:20:02,630 --> 02:19:59,920
it would take to do the transfer you

3767
02:20:04,950 --> 02:20:02,640
might as well just fly there and uh and

3768
02:20:06,870 --> 02:20:04,960
take a couple hundred years and at least

3769
02:20:09,510 --> 02:20:06,880
you know that every atom in your body

3770
02:20:11,190 --> 02:20:09,520
would arrive in the way that it departed

3771
02:20:13,590 --> 02:20:11,200
because that's the other thing you don't

3772
02:20:15,990 --> 02:20:13,600
know if it's going to reconstruct now

3773
02:20:17,670 --> 02:20:16,000
that the other part of this is your

3774
02:20:20,710 --> 02:20:17,680
consciousness

3775
02:20:22,870 --> 02:20:20,720
you know would that also be part of the

3776
02:20:24,950 --> 02:20:22,880
teleportation i i understand your

3777
02:20:27,510 --> 02:20:24,960
memories could be but what about the

3778
02:20:29,270 --> 02:20:27,520
stuff that makes isaac isaac

3779
02:20:31,030 --> 02:20:29,280
how does that's the million-dollar

3780
02:20:32,469 --> 02:20:31,040
question isn't it because we don't know

3781
02:20:34,950 --> 02:20:32,479
right

3782
02:20:37,030 --> 02:20:34,960
um i i tend to subscribe to the the john

3783
02:20:38,790 --> 02:20:37,040
locke approach on continuity of identity

3784
02:20:40,230 --> 02:20:38,800
and consciousness not because it's

3785
02:20:42,070 --> 02:20:40,240
particularly provable it's none of these

3786
02:20:43,349 --> 02:20:42,080
things have any more evidence supporting

3787
02:20:44,630 --> 02:20:43,359
them than any of the others but because

3788
02:20:45,990 --> 02:20:44,640
it's the one that seems to make the most

3789
02:20:48,389 --> 02:20:46,000
sense to me

3790
02:20:49,830 --> 02:20:48,399
um or at least is the most comfortable

3791
02:20:52,550 --> 02:20:49,840
to settle on

3792
02:20:55,910 --> 02:20:52,560
uh and the notion there is is so long as

3793
02:20:57,510 --> 02:20:55,920
i'm continuing my uh my existence more

3794
02:21:00,070 --> 02:20:57,520
or less the same with any really abrupt

3795
02:21:00,950 --> 02:21:00,080
changes then my identity is persistent

3796
02:21:02,870 --> 02:21:00,960
too

3797
02:21:04,710 --> 02:21:02,880
uh but that becomes a real issue if i

3798
02:21:06,230 --> 02:21:04,720
let's say i make a copy of myself on

3799
02:21:08,710 --> 02:21:06,240
another planet what about the copy

3800
02:21:11,190 --> 02:21:08,720
that's back back here what about the

3801
02:21:13,030 --> 02:21:11,200
copy they brought online that was uh not

3802
02:21:14,870 --> 02:21:13,040
quite right so they stored it and

3803
02:21:16,389 --> 02:21:14,880
another one's used and then they wake up

3804
02:21:17,910 --> 02:21:16,399
the uh damaged one because they forgot

3805
02:21:19,990 --> 02:21:17,920
how to repair it now there's two of me

3806
02:21:21,429 --> 02:21:20,000
there which one's me that well

3807
02:21:23,110 --> 02:21:21,439
apparently they're both me but they're

3808
02:21:24,230 --> 02:21:23,120
not really the same as each other

3809
02:21:27,510 --> 02:21:24,240
anymore

3810
02:21:30,870 --> 02:21:27,520
and i've never heard a a explanation for

3811
02:21:32,950 --> 02:21:30,880
how to cope with that that was entirely

3812
02:21:34,710 --> 02:21:32,960
solid across the board and met all the

3813
02:21:37,110 --> 02:21:34,720
the goals we'd have for just being

3814
02:21:39,270 --> 02:21:37,120
somewhere else and i don't think you're

3815
02:21:41,030 --> 02:21:39,280
gonna get one either because it's it's

3816
02:21:43,190 --> 02:21:41,040
it's a little bit too

3817
02:21:44,389 --> 02:21:43,200
subjective certain things are abstract

3818
02:21:46,950 --> 02:21:44,399
and things like consciousness and

3819
02:21:48,710 --> 02:21:46,960
identity are very abstract concepts

3820
02:21:51,030 --> 02:21:48,720
and i i do not think that we're going to

3821
02:21:51,990 --> 02:21:51,040
get a satisfactory answer to those do

3822
02:21:57,110 --> 02:21:52,000
you

3823
02:22:01,910 --> 02:21:57,120
go

3824
02:22:03,510 --> 02:22:01,920
there's the star trek teleporter

3825
02:22:05,030 --> 02:22:03,520
transporter right you know if if you're

3826
02:22:06,710 --> 02:22:05,040
reassembling me down there and

3827
02:22:09,750 --> 02:22:06,720
disassembling me up here

3828
02:22:11,270 --> 02:22:09,760
um did you just kill me

3829
02:22:13,349 --> 02:22:11,280
and of course you got the examples but i

3830
02:22:14,550 --> 02:22:13,359
think they did cover that in uh i have

3831
02:22:17,270 --> 02:22:14,560
the episode it was the one with the two

3832
02:22:18,790 --> 02:22:17,280
rifles so uh there's a copy of him left

3833
02:22:20,790 --> 02:22:18,800
alone on a planet that was the extra

3834
02:22:22,469 --> 02:22:20,800
that bounced back um

3835
02:22:24,630 --> 02:22:22,479
which one of those is the vo1 right

3836
02:22:26,870 --> 02:22:24,640
which one you know

3837
02:22:28,389 --> 02:22:26,880
and there is no clear answer on

3838
02:22:30,230 --> 02:22:28,399
something like that that that i i at

3839
02:22:31,190 --> 02:22:30,240
least i have not heard an answer that

3840
02:22:34,950 --> 02:22:31,200
would be

3841
02:22:37,830 --> 02:22:34,960
100 solid now and there is uh

3842
02:22:40,710 --> 02:22:37,840
if if teleportation isn't the answer an

3843
02:22:44,630 --> 02:22:40,720
entanglement isn't the answer

3844
02:22:47,510 --> 02:22:44,640
science today and for me i think is is

3845
02:22:48,790 --> 02:22:47,520
is when it gets to uh quantum computing

3846
02:22:51,590 --> 02:22:48,800
and qubits

3847
02:22:54,070 --> 02:22:51,600
is now strongly suggesting isaac that

3848
02:22:56,150 --> 02:22:54,080
parallel worlds are real

3849
02:22:58,710 --> 02:22:56,160
right and for quantum entanglement for a

3850
02:23:02,070 --> 02:22:58,720
qubit to operate correctly

3851
02:23:05,270 --> 02:23:02,080
um and the concepts of quantum computing

3852
02:23:07,670 --> 02:23:05,280
well then we have to accept a parallel

3853
02:23:09,750 --> 02:23:07,680
world apparel an infinite situation to

3854
02:23:11,910 --> 02:23:09,760
our right and to our left

3855
02:23:13,190 --> 02:23:11,920
not necessarily we've got uh well we

3856
02:23:14,469 --> 02:23:13,200
have quite a few quantum theories but

3857
02:23:17,670 --> 02:23:14,479
the two people are most familiar with

3858
02:23:19,349 --> 02:23:17,680
are copenhagen and mini wards um many

3859
02:23:22,070 --> 02:23:19,359
words has

3860
02:23:24,070 --> 02:23:22,080
a a lot of following it's it's the other

3861
02:23:25,990 --> 02:23:24,080
big one but copenhagen tends to be the

3862
02:23:27,990 --> 02:23:26,000
slightly more popular physicist at least

3863
02:23:30,389 --> 02:23:28,000
less i checked not by a lot

3864
02:23:32,469 --> 02:23:30,399
they both allow quantum computing as as

3865
02:23:34,950 --> 02:23:32,479
the peers take place there is not a

3866
02:23:36,950 --> 02:23:34,960
single shred of evidence of any sort to

3867
02:23:38,950 --> 02:23:36,960
back up copenhagen many words or any of

3868
02:23:41,590 --> 02:23:38,960
the other quantum interpretations we

3869
02:23:42,870 --> 02:23:41,600
don't know right if those exist you know

3870
02:23:44,389 --> 02:23:42,880
that's a pretty big deal and i think a

3871
02:23:46,070 --> 02:23:44,399
lot of folks like many wars because it

3872
02:23:47,590 --> 02:23:46,080
gets around the anthropic principle and

3873
02:23:50,150 --> 02:23:47,600
fine-tuning issues for the universe

3874
02:23:51,030 --> 02:23:50,160
those are a big problem in copenhagen

3875
02:23:52,630 --> 02:23:51,040
um

3876
02:23:54,309 --> 02:23:52,640
and i tend to subscribe to copenhagen

3877
02:23:56,309 --> 02:23:54,319
myself though i think i think many wards

3878
02:23:57,590 --> 02:23:56,319
would be more fun if it was true

3879
02:23:59,110 --> 02:23:57,600
um

3880
02:24:01,110 --> 02:23:59,120
if you have those that starts getting a

3881
02:24:02,950 --> 02:24:01,120
question do i bother to travel to

3882
02:24:05,830 --> 02:24:02,960
another solar system when i can just

3883
02:24:07,510 --> 02:24:05,840
step off onto a copy of earth where

3884
02:24:09,270 --> 02:24:07,520
humanity got wiped out seventy thousand

3885
02:24:11,030 --> 02:24:09,280
years ago by i can't relate that

3886
02:24:12,790 --> 02:24:11,040
asteroid the the one that they think

3887
02:24:14,309 --> 02:24:12,800
killed off a lot of of civilization at

3888
02:24:16,389 --> 02:24:14,319
the time that or people don't think

3889
02:24:17,750 --> 02:24:16,399
there's really civilization yet uh you

3890
02:24:19,510 --> 02:24:17,760
go to that copy of that plant because

3891
02:24:21,110 --> 02:24:19,520
it's identical to ours except it's

3892
02:24:23,190 --> 02:24:21,120
uninhabited

3893
02:24:26,469 --> 02:24:23,200
that's the perfect place to set up a

3894
02:24:28,389 --> 02:24:26,479
colony i mean why go tail form rigel or

3895
02:24:30,309 --> 02:24:28,399
vega uh like it's actually pronounced

3896
02:24:32,150 --> 02:24:30,319
vega now i heard that recently yes why

3897
02:24:34,230 --> 02:24:32,160
would colonize those places when you can

3898
02:24:36,469 --> 02:24:34,240
just step out onto an empty copy of your

3899
02:24:39,590 --> 02:24:36,479
own planet that's different because and

3900
02:24:42,150 --> 02:24:39,600
there'll be so many versions every last

3901
02:24:44,309 --> 02:24:42,160
minor variation even one atom being will

3902
02:24:45,990 --> 02:24:44,319
not place off in a single rock is its

3903
02:24:47,910 --> 02:24:46,000
own multicourse

3904
02:24:49,349 --> 02:24:47,920
and so you have a virtually unlimited

3905
02:24:50,950 --> 02:24:49,359
number of these the technique is still a

3906
02:24:52,469 --> 02:24:50,960
finite number but it's one of those ones

3907
02:24:53,990 --> 02:24:52,479
we actually have an exponent on the

3908
02:24:55,510 --> 02:24:54,000
exponent you know

3909
02:24:56,550 --> 02:24:55,520
this near infinite number of these

3910
02:24:58,870 --> 02:24:56,560
things

3911
02:25:01,030 --> 02:24:58,880
why why would you ever colonize another

3912
02:25:03,510 --> 02:25:01,040
solar system in a case like that except

3913
02:25:04,790 --> 02:25:03,520
to maybe your own sun starting to burn

3914
02:25:08,230 --> 02:25:04,800
out you know

3915
02:25:11,830 --> 02:25:08,240
um are you okay with that though because

3916
02:25:14,230 --> 02:25:11,840
if if quantum mechanics quantum theory

3917
02:25:17,510 --> 02:25:14,240
if and and quantum computers in in the

3918
02:25:20,710 --> 02:25:17,520
in cuba if it continues down its path

3919
02:25:23,030 --> 02:25:20,720
isaac you are going to have to accept

3920
02:25:24,389 --> 02:25:23,040
either the many worlds or coping you're

3921
02:25:26,950 --> 02:25:24,399
going to have to go one way or the other

3922
02:25:28,710 --> 02:25:26,960
or maybe even another

3923
02:25:31,750 --> 02:25:28,720
another reality that we haven't

3924
02:25:34,150 --> 02:25:31,760
theorized yet but are you okay with that

3925
02:25:35,830 --> 02:25:34,160
does your head explode or are you okay

3926
02:25:37,670 --> 02:25:35,840
my head explodes whenever i deal with

3927
02:25:39,110 --> 02:25:37,680
many wards or the size of the universe

3928
02:25:40,710 --> 02:25:39,120
you know people talk about the sheer

3929
02:25:43,110 --> 02:25:40,720
scale of that and you're trying to come

3930
02:25:45,110 --> 02:25:43,120
to understand astronomical times you can

3931
02:25:47,110 --> 02:25:45,120
study this stuff for years you can learn

3932
02:25:49,670 --> 02:25:47,120
all the math and your brain still never

3933
02:25:51,110 --> 02:25:49,680
really wraps around the scale involved

3934
02:25:53,030 --> 02:25:51,120
as to whether or not i mean if another

3935
02:25:54,469 --> 02:25:53,040
theory comes up or gets proven um i

3936
02:25:55,830 --> 02:25:54,479
think i'd be fine with it but you never

3937
02:25:57,910 --> 02:25:55,840
know until the time i'd like to think i

3938
02:26:00,309 --> 02:25:57,920
would be um

3939
02:26:02,070 --> 02:26:00,319
that's that's the core of science is

3940
02:26:03,670 --> 02:26:02,080
adapting when the knowledge changes

3941
02:26:05,910 --> 02:26:03,680
figuring out what it means and and you

3942
02:26:07,110 --> 02:26:05,920
follow the truth it doesn't matter i

3943
02:26:09,190 --> 02:26:07,120
mean it doesn't matter if you accept it

3944
02:26:11,270 --> 02:26:09,200
or not either the truth is the truth

3945
02:26:12,710 --> 02:26:11,280
um but you know personally i'd like to

3946
02:26:14,630 --> 02:26:12,720
think that i would i might be a little

3947
02:26:16,230 --> 02:26:14,640
disappointed in myself if i didn't but

3948
02:26:18,389 --> 02:26:16,240
you know we all have a blind what's on

3949
02:26:19,270 --> 02:26:18,399
about something that's the human nature

3950
02:26:22,389 --> 02:26:19,280
so

3951
02:26:24,070 --> 02:26:22,399
what i have been enjoying lately is

3952
02:26:26,630 --> 02:26:24,080
listening to

3953
02:26:28,389 --> 02:26:26,640
the physicists the celebrity physicists

3954
02:26:30,469 --> 02:26:28,399
too as well i listen to all of their

3955
02:26:33,270 --> 02:26:30,479
presentations i study it

3956
02:26:35,349 --> 02:26:33,280
how they are getting farther farther

3957
02:26:37,030 --> 02:26:35,359
apart from each other where they thought

3958
02:26:39,429 --> 02:26:37,040
that they had a grip

3959
02:26:42,070 --> 02:26:39,439
on things you know certainly 50 years

3960
02:26:44,469 --> 02:26:42,080
ago but it is unraveling now because the

3961
02:26:46,870 --> 02:26:44,479
data is coming in faster than anybody

3962
02:26:49,990 --> 02:26:46,880
and now anybody's theory gets thrown on

3963
02:26:52,150 --> 02:26:50,000
the table and it's as valid as the next

3964
02:26:52,870 --> 02:26:52,160
um i too would agree uh some of the i

3965
02:26:54,309 --> 02:26:52,880
mean

3966
02:26:56,550 --> 02:26:54,319
most of the folks that people recognize

3967
02:26:59,030 --> 02:26:56,560
the names of of this or that physicist

3968
02:27:00,790 --> 02:26:59,040
like i don't do any active research um

3969
02:27:02,710 --> 02:27:00,800
yeah i don't know how much tyson does

3970
02:27:04,950 --> 02:27:02,720
nye obviously doesn't do any uh at least

3971
02:27:06,950 --> 02:27:04,960
i'm not that i'm aware of michio keku i

3972
02:27:08,710 --> 02:27:06,960
think still does but you know the the

3973
02:27:11,030 --> 02:27:08,720
the totally new minds saying most these

3974
02:27:12,790 --> 02:27:11,040
theories are usually folks people never

3975
02:27:15,990 --> 02:27:12,800
heard of and you have to keep up with

3976
02:27:17,750 --> 02:27:16,000
that um and sometimes those get debunked

3977
02:27:19,750 --> 02:27:17,760
sometimes they get proven a lot of times

3978
02:27:21,110 --> 02:27:19,760
they sit for a decade or two you know

3979
02:27:22,309 --> 02:27:21,120
they might get a really big news article

3980
02:27:24,150 --> 02:27:22,319
talking about them and they just kind of

3981
02:27:25,510 --> 02:27:24,160
linger or not being proven or disspooned

3982
02:27:28,070 --> 02:27:25,520
for a long time

3983
02:27:29,990 --> 02:27:28,080
it takes a long time a lot we've done so

3984
02:27:31,349 --> 02:27:30,000
well advancing the field of physics in

3985
02:27:32,790 --> 02:27:31,359
the last century

3986
02:27:35,190 --> 02:27:32,800
that we're actually starting to slow

3987
02:27:38,469 --> 02:27:35,200
down now because any new step we need to

3988
02:27:40,870 --> 02:27:38,479
take requires these huge projects that

3989
02:27:43,349 --> 02:27:40,880
that that even if you could just give an

3990
02:27:45,990 --> 02:27:43,359
infinite blank check to still take 10 or

3991
02:27:48,070 --> 02:27:46,000
20 years to produce the experiment

3992
02:27:49,670 --> 02:27:48,080
that's going to find out say something

3993
02:27:51,590 --> 02:27:49,680
like fusion the biggest horde upon that

3994
02:27:54,150 --> 02:27:51,600
is it takes us so long just to build the

3995
02:27:54,950 --> 02:27:54,160
thing and it's hard to rush that process

3996
02:27:56,550 --> 02:27:54,960
you know

3997
02:27:58,630 --> 02:27:56,560
yeah i know and

3998
02:28:00,309 --> 02:27:58,640
you're absolutely i've thought so much

3999
02:28:01,990 --> 02:28:00,319
about i've got to take a break here in

4000
02:28:04,150 --> 02:28:02,000
15 seconds but when you have guys like

4001
02:28:05,990 --> 02:28:04,160
lawrence krauss or brian greene

4002
02:28:07,990 --> 02:28:06,000
and you know that that are doing this

4003
02:28:09,110 --> 02:28:08,000
research and and putting these ideas out

4004
02:28:11,110 --> 02:28:09,120
there

4005
02:28:13,990 --> 02:28:11,120
if anything comes to fruition it's going

4006
02:28:16,870 --> 02:28:14,000
to take 20 25 years that they don't have

4007
02:28:18,630 --> 02:28:16,880
another project to move on to after that

4008
02:28:22,710 --> 02:28:18,640
you know what i mean it takes so much

4009
02:28:24,309 --> 02:28:22,720
time to do the one version of something

4010
02:28:26,230 --> 02:28:24,319
oh yeah and i mean i think they'd agree

4011
02:28:28,710 --> 02:28:26,240
too it's not about the individual it's a

4012
02:28:30,630 --> 02:28:28,720
progressive generational step we as a

4013
02:28:32,230 --> 02:28:30,640
community field specific or look

4014
02:28:34,230 --> 02:28:32,240
although everybody in general because

4015
02:28:36,070 --> 02:28:34,240
everybody commits these things even if

4016
02:28:39,030 --> 02:28:36,080
they're just paying tax sign

4017
02:28:40,070 --> 02:28:39,040
um it takes a long time and you know

4018
02:28:41,670 --> 02:28:40,080
people are talking about could we do

4019
02:28:43,590 --> 02:28:41,680
these projects that would take us you

4020
02:28:45,429 --> 02:28:43,600
know thousands of years to do say well

4021
02:28:47,270 --> 02:28:45,439
we have we have done this we built

4022
02:28:48,710 --> 02:28:47,280
cathedrals that took centuries we've

4023
02:28:50,790 --> 02:28:48,720
committed to so many projects that are

4024
02:28:53,510 --> 02:28:50,800
multi-generational and this is just one

4025
02:28:55,590 --> 02:28:53,520
example it takes time but we got lots of

4026
02:28:56,710 --> 02:28:55,600
time now uh we're going to take a break

4027
02:28:59,030 --> 02:28:56,720
right here i'm going to hold you over

4028
02:29:01,349 --> 02:28:59,040
for a little overtime i want to discuss

4029
02:29:05,270 --> 02:29:01,359
two things that we didn't get to tonight

4030
02:29:07,429 --> 02:29:05,280
uh one is dark energy uh i i want to go

4031
02:29:10,150 --> 02:29:07,439
there and i want to close out the show

4032
02:29:12,550 --> 02:29:10,160
with a discussion on disclosure and what

4033
02:29:14,790 --> 02:29:12,560
is going on now and the possibility of

4034
02:29:17,910 --> 02:29:14,800
what our government may or may not know

4035
02:29:19,830 --> 02:29:17,920
when it comes to alien and e.t contact

4036
02:29:22,309 --> 02:29:19,840
you want to stand by right there

4037
02:29:24,389 --> 02:29:22,319
i'll be glad to our guest is isaac

4038
02:29:25,670 --> 02:29:24,399
arthur been waiting for this stay right

4039
02:29:27,429 --> 02:29:25,680
there we'll be right back after this

4040
02:29:30,770 --> 02:29:27,439
short break gonna do a little overtime

4041
02:29:53,910 --> 02:29:30,780
this is fade to black stay with us

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02:29:55,750 --> 02:29:53,920
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02:34:21,670 --> 02:34:20,230
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4130
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4132
02:34:27,670 --> 02:34:26,319
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4133
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4134
02:34:32,870 --> 02:34:29,760
tomorrow night carolyn ford is going to

4135
02:34:34,710 --> 02:34:32,880
be here and of course that is einstein

4136
02:34:36,790 --> 02:34:34,720
in the ancient crystal skull of

4137
02:34:38,389 --> 02:34:36,800
consciousness wednesday night david

4138
02:34:40,469 --> 02:34:38,399
wilcock is going to be here thursday

4139
02:34:42,790 --> 02:34:40,479
night fader night teresa yanaris of

4140
02:34:45,590 --> 02:34:42,800
course divine frequency on the airwaves

4141
02:34:47,910 --> 02:34:45,600
followed by open lines all night long

4142
02:34:49,750 --> 02:34:47,920
our guest of course is isaac arthur and

4143
02:34:51,990 --> 02:34:49,760
isaac right before the break where i was

4144
02:34:52,790 --> 02:34:52,000
you know uh discussing with you

4145
02:34:55,429 --> 02:34:52,800
uh

4146
02:34:57,750 --> 02:34:55,439
the the new realities that are there to

4147
02:34:58,389 --> 02:34:57,760
hitting astrophysicists and physicists

4148
02:35:00,710 --> 02:34:58,399
and

4149
02:35:02,389 --> 02:35:00,720
cosmologists around the world is dark

4150
02:35:03,510 --> 02:35:02,399
energy and

4151
02:35:07,349 --> 02:35:03,520
this is

4152
02:35:11,670 --> 02:35:07,359
uh

4153
02:35:13,190 --> 02:35:11,680
over the last year

4154
02:35:14,630 --> 02:35:13,200
they are for colloquium when they are

4155
02:35:15,830 --> 02:35:14,640
first present in this notion i was an

4156
02:35:17,030 --> 02:35:15,840
undergrad at the time too so i was

4157
02:35:19,429 --> 02:35:17,040
mostly there for the

4158
02:35:21,590 --> 02:35:19,439
coffee and cookies um but they just

4159
02:35:22,870 --> 02:35:21,600
started noticing with the supernova um

4160
02:35:24,870 --> 02:35:22,880
charles they were building up the data

4161
02:35:26,309 --> 02:35:24,880
for that that the expansion rates for

4162
02:35:28,150 --> 02:35:26,319
the universe weren't quite matching up

4163
02:35:29,670 --> 02:35:28,160
to what we thought they were going to be

4164
02:35:31,110 --> 02:35:29,680
and that time the

4165
02:35:32,870 --> 02:35:31,120
you know the margin of error bars were

4166
02:35:34,950 --> 02:35:32,880
so big that we couldn't actually tell if

4167
02:35:36,389 --> 02:35:34,960
it was expanding contracting or whatever

4168
02:35:38,070 --> 02:35:36,399
right but as we would find that down we

4169
02:35:40,070 --> 02:35:38,080
started seeing that it's accelerating

4170
02:35:41,590 --> 02:35:40,080
its expansion rate and that is a weird

4171
02:35:43,910 --> 02:35:41,600
one because it

4172
02:35:44,870 --> 02:35:43,920
kind of arguably breaks conservation of

4173
02:35:46,630 --> 02:35:44,880
energy

4174
02:35:47,990 --> 02:35:46,640
um depending on how much you used to

4175
02:35:50,309 --> 02:35:48,000
look at that that's

4176
02:35:51,750 --> 02:35:50,319
really much more complex but we already

4177
02:35:54,309 --> 02:35:51,760
kind of suspect that in the first place

4178
02:35:56,469 --> 02:35:54,319
because space takes energy to make and

4179
02:35:58,070 --> 02:35:56,479
uh all the way back in einstein's day we

4180
02:36:00,150 --> 02:35:58,080
were starting to wonder about whether or

4181
02:36:01,510 --> 02:36:00,160
not energy was really conserved in that

4182
02:36:04,309 --> 02:36:01,520
context

4183
02:36:05,670 --> 02:36:04,319
and it's really shaping you know the

4184
02:36:07,510 --> 02:36:05,680
future of what the universe is going to

4185
02:36:09,670 --> 02:36:07,520
look like down the road

4186
02:36:12,230 --> 02:36:09,680
we don't know how fast it's accelerating

4187
02:36:13,270 --> 02:36:12,240
yet or if it's going to speed up and so

4188
02:36:14,630 --> 02:36:13,280
we don't even know what the end of the

4189
02:36:16,389 --> 02:36:14,640
universe is going to look like right now

4190
02:36:18,150 --> 02:36:16,399
because it could be a big rip scenario

4191
02:36:20,469 --> 02:36:18,160
where i think it's shredded apart in 100

4192
02:36:22,070 --> 02:36:20,479
billion years or 20 million years or it

4193
02:36:23,990 --> 02:36:22,080
could be the more classic heat death

4194
02:36:25,670 --> 02:36:24,000
that we've uh tended to settle on in

4195
02:36:27,510 --> 02:36:25,680
more recent times

4196
02:36:29,429 --> 02:36:27,520
um and

4197
02:36:30,870 --> 02:36:29,439
with the the awesome thing about right

4198
02:36:32,150 --> 02:36:30,880
now is that we will probably get to see

4199
02:36:33,990 --> 02:36:32,160
most of the cool new knowledge that

4200
02:36:35,670 --> 02:36:34,000
comes from this over the next 20 or 30

4201
02:36:36,950 --> 02:36:35,680
years although this is one of those

4202
02:36:39,349 --> 02:36:36,960
problems that might be you know where

4203
02:36:42,309 --> 02:36:39,359
it's coming from could be going on for

4204
02:36:44,309 --> 02:36:42,319
centuries to come and you know when when

4205
02:36:45,349 --> 02:36:44,319
we talk about gravity

4206
02:36:47,349 --> 02:36:45,359
uh

4207
02:36:49,670 --> 02:36:47,359
there are so many different things going

4208
02:36:51,510 --> 02:36:49,680
on there's the gravity of of our cells

4209
02:36:53,830 --> 02:36:51,520
and what's holding you know us together

4210
02:36:55,429 --> 02:36:53,840
there's that and expanding out from that

4211
02:36:56,469 --> 02:36:55,439
of course you know the solar system and

4212
02:36:58,230 --> 02:36:56,479
earth and

4213
02:37:00,790 --> 02:36:58,240
and you know what's holding us together

4214
02:37:03,190 --> 02:37:00,800
you go out a step beyond that and and

4215
02:37:04,469 --> 02:37:03,200
the galaxy and and how that's spiraling

4216
02:37:06,550 --> 02:37:04,479
and how gravity

4217
02:37:09,190 --> 02:37:06,560
is holding that together where we're not

4218
02:37:12,790 --> 02:37:09,200
spinning off into everything and then

4219
02:37:15,990 --> 02:37:12,800
but the opposite seems to be happening

4220
02:37:17,670 --> 02:37:16,000
with dark energy which is forcing things

4221
02:37:19,910 --> 02:37:17,680
in the opposite direction and not

4222
02:37:22,950 --> 02:37:19,920
pulling it together and then the

4223
02:37:24,870 --> 02:37:22,960
original concept that i think everybody

4224
02:37:27,190 --> 02:37:24,880
accepted for so long

4225
02:37:29,510 --> 02:37:27,200
was that gravity the universe would

4226
02:37:31,270 --> 02:37:29,520
expand until gravity would overtake it

4227
02:37:33,349 --> 02:37:31,280
then pull it back together

4228
02:37:35,750 --> 02:37:33,359
and we would have another big bang it

4229
02:37:38,469 --> 02:37:35,760
would be like rinse repeat you know

4230
02:37:39,429 --> 02:37:38,479
lather and cyclic bangs right cyclic

4231
02:37:42,309 --> 02:37:39,439
banks

4232
02:37:43,910 --> 02:37:42,319
and and now i think uh

4233
02:37:47,030 --> 02:37:43,920
we're starting to take a harsh look at

4234
02:37:50,389 --> 02:37:47,040
this that we we just may be on a one-way

4235
02:37:52,230 --> 02:37:50,399
trip here right that it just may expand

4236
02:37:54,710 --> 02:37:52,240
out and eventually

4237
02:37:57,270 --> 02:37:54,720
uh if we're still around

4238
02:38:00,550 --> 02:37:57,280
we will be completely by ourselves that

4239
02:38:02,389 --> 02:38:00,560
the cosmos will be black

4240
02:38:03,910 --> 02:38:02,399
there's a second part of that i mean

4241
02:38:06,150 --> 02:38:03,920
that's one of the scenarios could happen

4242
02:38:07,910 --> 02:38:06,160
just the local galaxies by us all merged

4243
02:38:09,429 --> 02:38:07,920
together as they're already doing all

4244
02:38:11,270 --> 02:38:09,439
galaxies are cannibal and so is

4245
02:38:13,349 --> 02:38:11,280
andromeda and uh they talk about

4246
02:38:14,630 --> 02:38:13,359
andromeda and milky way colliding but

4247
02:38:15,910 --> 02:38:14,640
we're actually probably end up colliding

4248
02:38:17,670 --> 02:38:15,920
with the whirlpool while the other ones

4249
02:38:19,190 --> 02:38:17,680
first right those were all merged

4250
02:38:20,950 --> 02:38:19,200
together and everybody else will expand

4251
02:38:22,309 --> 02:38:20,960
out we'll never see them 150 billion

4252
02:38:24,630 --> 02:38:22,319
years from now you wouldn't be able to

4253
02:38:26,389 --> 02:38:24,640
see those galaxies it says the most

4254
02:38:28,870 --> 02:38:26,399
trace red shift to things disappearing

4255
02:38:30,389 --> 02:38:28,880
over the cosmological event horizon

4256
02:38:32,550 --> 02:38:30,399
um but

4257
02:38:35,110 --> 02:38:32,560
in some big rip scenarios for instance

4258
02:38:37,110 --> 02:38:35,120
uh if the this pushing force of dark

4259
02:38:38,389 --> 02:38:37,120
energy keeps growing you could get to

4260
02:38:40,950 --> 02:38:38,399
the point where it was actually ripping

4261
02:38:42,710 --> 02:38:40,960
apart quarks themselves and you actually

4262
02:38:45,349 --> 02:38:42,720
can't really rip quarks apart because

4263
02:38:47,349 --> 02:38:45,359
when you do you make more quarks

4264
02:38:48,710 --> 02:38:47,359
so there are some scenarios for like the

4265
02:38:50,710 --> 02:38:48,720
big rip for instance where this just

4266
02:38:53,830 --> 02:38:50,720
kept growing until you had a new big

4267
02:38:55,349 --> 02:38:53,840
bang going on everywhere all at once

4268
02:38:57,110 --> 02:38:55,359
and we're not actually sure that's not

4269
02:38:58,469 --> 02:38:57,120
how that happened in the first place you

4270
02:39:00,630 --> 02:38:58,479
say we talk about the size of the

4271
02:39:02,710 --> 02:39:00,640
universe being really tiny but we only

4272
02:39:04,230 --> 02:39:02,720
mean the chunk we can see it could have

4273
02:39:05,750 --> 02:39:04,240
expanded everywhere and already been

4274
02:39:07,990 --> 02:39:05,760
infinite in size in the first place

4275
02:39:09,750 --> 02:39:08,000
right um you know more infinity of

4276
02:39:11,990 --> 02:39:09,760
infinity what's infinity plus infinity

4277
02:39:13,429 --> 02:39:12,000
or times infinity it's still infinity

4278
02:39:14,870 --> 02:39:13,439
uh and so that is actually one

4279
02:39:16,630 --> 02:39:14,880
possibility of course we would not

4280
02:39:19,030 --> 02:39:16,640
survive that if it's ripping quarks

4281
02:39:20,870 --> 02:39:19,040
apart uh but you could have that as

4282
02:39:22,710 --> 02:39:20,880
something that happens every 100 billion

4283
02:39:25,750 --> 02:39:22,720
years or so the universe just re-erupts

4284
02:39:26,790 --> 02:39:25,760
as a whole new you know big bang

4285
02:39:28,389 --> 02:39:26,800
um

4286
02:39:30,150 --> 02:39:28,399
and well i don't subscribe to myself one

4287
02:39:32,150 --> 02:39:30,160
of the more popular competitors for the

4288
02:39:34,630 --> 02:39:32,160
big bang for a long time not the steady

4289
02:39:36,469 --> 02:39:34,640
state but quasi steady state universe

4290
02:39:38,630 --> 02:39:36,479
where you had little micro big bangs

4291
02:39:40,469 --> 02:39:38,640
going off all the time or

4292
02:39:41,830 --> 02:39:40,479
uh the idea was that you'll have a

4293
02:39:43,349 --> 02:39:41,840
little bit of hydrogen appearing here

4294
02:39:45,429 --> 02:39:43,359
and there at random everywhere all the

4295
02:39:47,510 --> 02:39:45,439
time and people say oh you wouldn't have

4296
02:39:50,150 --> 02:39:47,520
that and then we say well we got dark

4297
02:39:51,750 --> 02:39:50,160
energy doing that now uh i mean

4298
02:39:53,670 --> 02:39:51,760
this is new space that's appealing out

4299
02:39:54,790 --> 02:39:53,680
of nowhere and it's doing in probably

4300
02:39:56,469 --> 02:39:54,800
tiny amounts we haven't actually been

4301
02:39:58,150 --> 02:39:56,479
able to narrow that down yet but you

4302
02:39:59,910 --> 02:39:58,160
could easily have tiny tiny little

4303
02:40:01,030 --> 02:39:59,920
packets of new space popping up in you

4304
02:40:02,550 --> 02:40:01,040
all the time

4305
02:40:03,830 --> 02:40:02,560
you ignore them because all the

4306
02:40:05,270 --> 02:40:03,840
electrical forces hold your body

4307
02:40:08,070 --> 02:40:05,280
together but

4308
02:40:09,750 --> 02:40:08,080
they'd still be going on you know and so

4309
02:40:11,030 --> 02:40:09,760
you might have new little bits of space

4310
02:40:12,870 --> 02:40:11,040
popping up inside you and that's what

4311
02:40:14,790 --> 02:40:12,880
caused the expansion it just adds up

4312
02:40:17,270 --> 02:40:14,800
over a distance

4313
02:40:18,710 --> 02:40:17,280
well in the the okay there's two

4314
02:40:21,030 --> 02:40:18,720
directions i want to go in really

4315
02:40:22,550 --> 02:40:21,040
quickly one our big bang just happened

4316
02:40:25,750 --> 02:40:22,560
to be perfect

4317
02:40:28,870 --> 02:40:25,760
in that gravity was right the forces

4318
02:40:31,910 --> 02:40:28,880
were right and and

4319
02:40:34,389 --> 02:40:31,920
our universe just wants to create things

4320
02:40:37,190 --> 02:40:34,399
right life is just like everyone i mean

4321
02:40:40,070 --> 02:40:37,200
we just planets and stars but if it was

4322
02:40:42,550 --> 02:40:40,080
off by just a little bit things don't

4323
02:40:45,110 --> 02:40:43,510
it's just

4324
02:40:46,469 --> 02:40:45,120
probably not i mean that's the fine

4325
02:40:48,870 --> 02:40:46,479
tuning approach is that everything is

4326
02:40:50,790 --> 02:40:48,880
exactly perfect for us or in a very tiny

4327
02:40:52,150 --> 02:40:50,800
range compared to what it could be right

4328
02:40:54,230 --> 02:40:52,160
well that's i have to say the models

4329
02:40:55,590 --> 02:40:54,240
done for that are still iffy enough that

4330
02:40:57,590 --> 02:40:55,600
you couldn't say that something else

4331
02:41:00,309 --> 02:40:57,600
wouldn't form with patterns like we have

4332
02:41:02,309 --> 02:41:00,319
now and just might be very different but

4333
02:41:03,510 --> 02:41:02,319
it it and that's just throwing out there

4334
02:41:06,230 --> 02:41:03,520
that those models aren't really all that

4335
02:41:08,309 --> 02:41:06,240
precise yet um it does look like the

4336
02:41:09,990 --> 02:41:08,319
universe we're in is is

4337
02:41:11,910 --> 02:41:10,000
just perfect and so you get the

4338
02:41:14,070 --> 02:41:11,920
anthropic principle that says

4339
02:41:15,830 --> 02:41:14,080
is it a freak coincidence or is it just

4340
02:41:17,910 --> 02:41:15,840
that we are the only places that had

4341
02:41:19,429 --> 02:41:17,920
anything at large to notice that we were

4342
02:41:21,270 --> 02:41:19,439
perfect all the other places no life

4343
02:41:24,309 --> 02:41:21,280
emerges to notice that their universe

4344
02:41:29,670 --> 02:41:27,349
but that's exactly right in that there

4345
02:41:31,349 --> 02:41:29,680
are it could be infinite universes out

4346
02:41:33,750 --> 02:41:31,359
there that are dead

4347
02:41:36,469 --> 02:41:33,760
right that it just don't have any action

4348
02:41:39,510 --> 02:41:36,479
going on their big bang was just off by

4349
02:41:41,910 --> 02:41:39,520
a little bit and it just it just wasn't

4350
02:41:43,510 --> 02:41:41,920
right yeah the physical constants were

4351
02:41:45,670 --> 02:41:43,520
just a little bit off for that or the

4352
02:41:47,030 --> 02:41:45,680
time for the inflation was not quite

4353
02:41:48,469 --> 02:41:47,040
right or

4354
02:41:50,309 --> 02:41:48,479
and there were so many ways that could

4355
02:41:51,190 --> 02:41:50,319
have played out that would result in no

4356
02:41:53,270 --> 02:41:51,200
life

4357
02:41:55,270 --> 02:41:53,280
um and the only caveat on that is that

4358
02:41:56,550 --> 02:41:55,280
we probably don't want to rule out that

4359
02:41:58,630 --> 02:41:56,560
quite a few more than we would tend to

4360
02:42:00,710 --> 02:41:58,640
expect might be life-bearing

4361
02:42:02,309 --> 02:42:00,720
um but i wouldn't expect most of them to

4362
02:42:04,550 --> 02:42:02,319
be it just might be more than we tend to

4363
02:42:06,469 --> 02:42:04,560
think and right now we think that it's a

4364
02:42:08,070 --> 02:42:06,479
one of those numbers that's so small

4365
02:42:09,349 --> 02:42:08,080
that you need you know exponents to

4366
02:42:11,750 --> 02:42:09,359
express it

4367
02:42:14,309 --> 02:42:11,760
um and that that again that goes in the

4368
02:42:15,190 --> 02:42:14,319
fine-tuning anthropic principle approach

4369
02:42:18,070 --> 02:42:15,200
um

4370
02:42:19,910 --> 02:42:18,080
for instance sometimes we say oh the

4371
02:42:20,950 --> 02:42:19,920
universe is so huge we have to have x y

4372
02:42:23,030 --> 02:42:20,960
or z

4373
02:42:24,870 --> 02:42:23,040
earth takes up only a very tiny portion

4374
02:42:26,469 --> 02:42:24,880
of the value of space uh that's

4375
02:42:28,630 --> 02:42:26,479
habitable here and you want to get to

4376
02:42:30,309 --> 02:42:28,640
the next system that has a stone it you

4377
02:42:32,630 --> 02:42:30,319
have to encompass a volume that's a

4378
02:42:34,550 --> 02:42:32,640
quadrillion times larger than the sphere

4379
02:42:36,870 --> 02:42:34,560
you'd make around the earth uh the sun

4380
02:42:38,950 --> 02:42:36,880
at the earth's distance right and that's

4381
02:42:40,230 --> 02:42:38,960
empty that's pretty empty anyway and we

4382
02:42:42,230 --> 02:42:40,240
don't really think about anything being

4383
02:42:44,550 --> 02:42:42,240
there but earth is already a one a

4384
02:42:46,790 --> 02:42:44,560
quintillion thing just by

4385
02:42:47,910 --> 02:42:46,800
our solar system existing by being so

4386
02:42:49,510 --> 02:42:47,920
huge

4387
02:42:53,510 --> 02:42:49,520
um

4388
02:42:55,670 --> 02:42:53,520
these really suggest too well yet and

4389
02:42:57,190 --> 02:42:55,680
we're going to find out more but

4390
02:43:00,469 --> 02:42:57,200
and as we say you have to be patient

4391
02:43:02,950 --> 02:43:00,479
with science it takes a long time

4392
02:43:04,230 --> 02:43:02,960
it's fun though and when we take that

4393
02:43:06,870 --> 02:43:04,240
concept

4394
02:43:08,469 --> 02:43:06,880
because the odds of

4395
02:43:11,110 --> 02:43:08,479
your dna

4396
02:43:11,990 --> 02:43:11,120
right the odds of it

4397
02:43:13,510 --> 02:43:12,000
when

4398
02:43:15,270 --> 02:43:13,520
you talk to

4399
02:43:17,110 --> 02:43:15,280
uh different scientists out there and

4400
02:43:19,110 --> 02:43:17,120
i'm not going to name names but we'll

4401
02:43:21,830 --> 02:43:19,120
say well look it was just

4402
02:43:24,550 --> 02:43:21,840
you know lightning hit some amino acids

4403
02:43:27,590 --> 02:43:24,560
on a crystal in a in a creek bed

4404
02:43:30,070 --> 02:43:27,600
boom we had dna you know well

4405
02:43:32,389 --> 02:43:30,080
we have no idea how that happened

4406
02:43:33,429 --> 02:43:32,399
we know two things reasonably well by

4407
02:43:35,030 --> 02:43:33,439
inference

4408
02:43:36,630 --> 02:43:35,040
that it would have taken a decent

4409
02:43:38,230 --> 02:43:36,640
chemical mixture and that you need to

4410
02:43:39,349 --> 02:43:38,240
have some kind of energy input for them

4411
02:43:41,190 --> 02:43:39,359
to live on

4412
02:43:43,110 --> 02:43:41,200
and so and then people sometimes think

4413
02:43:45,190 --> 02:43:43,120
we know more about this than we do

4414
02:43:47,190 --> 02:43:45,200
um we all we do is we look at what

4415
02:43:48,870 --> 02:43:47,200
circumstances on earth might have had

4416
02:43:50,630 --> 02:43:48,880
those and say well that's a place that

4417
02:43:51,830 --> 02:43:50,640
could have happened we don't know yet we

4418
02:43:53,750 --> 02:43:51,840
have no idea it could have been thermal

4419
02:43:55,429 --> 02:43:53,760
events it could have been uh tidal pools

4420
02:43:57,030 --> 02:43:55,439
it could have been panspermia comets

4421
02:43:59,910 --> 02:43:57,040
coming down with the earth cold that had

4422
02:44:01,750 --> 02:43:59,920
some microbes in them uh all we can say

4423
02:44:03,990 --> 02:44:01,760
with reasonable certainty is you need to

4424
02:44:05,830 --> 02:44:04,000
have a good chemical mixture and some

4425
02:44:07,990 --> 02:44:05,840
sort of energy input you need the raw

4426
02:44:11,269 --> 02:44:08,000
materials and the fuel and a lot of time

4427
02:44:13,830 --> 02:44:11,279
yeah a lot of time a lot of time now

4428
02:44:16,150 --> 02:44:14,950
this is where i'm going to push you a

4429
02:44:18,389 --> 02:44:16,160
little bit

4430
02:44:20,870 --> 02:44:18,399
the odds and you always present these

4431
02:44:22,870 --> 02:44:20,880
numbers really well uh you know how many

4432
02:44:25,590 --> 02:44:22,880
zeros that we're going to put on the

4433
02:44:27,110 --> 02:44:25,600
odds of dna being created i don't know

4434
02:44:29,670 --> 02:44:27,120
but it would probably go from here to

4435
02:44:33,190 --> 02:44:29,680
mars that's a big number if you are

4436
02:44:35,349 --> 02:44:33,200
going with luck right okay which is what

4437
02:44:36,389 --> 02:44:35,359
we're talking about here chance

4438
02:44:38,070 --> 02:44:36,399
or

4439
02:44:40,150 --> 02:44:38,080
could there be and i'm not talking about

4440
02:44:43,750 --> 02:44:40,160
god or religion but could there have

4441
02:44:47,110 --> 02:44:43,760
been a divine type of interference here

4442
02:44:48,389 --> 02:44:47,120
from maybe uh panspermia or an et

4443
02:44:50,950 --> 02:44:48,399
connection

4444
02:44:54,309 --> 02:44:50,960
where we were placed here

4445
02:44:56,790 --> 02:44:54,319
that it wasn't odds and it wasn't luck

4446
02:44:59,030 --> 02:44:56,800
and it wasn't nature that

4447
02:45:02,070 --> 02:44:59,040
possibly yeah i mean yeah

4448
02:45:04,150 --> 02:45:02,080
i i think the key thing and sometimes

4449
02:45:05,990 --> 02:45:04,160
folks miss this with the science when

4450
02:45:08,150 --> 02:45:06,000
you're doing it you are obliged to stick

4451
02:45:10,389 --> 02:45:08,160
to a certain specific window for

4452
02:45:11,830 --> 02:45:10,399
evidence and you don't stray outside

4453
02:45:13,590 --> 02:45:11,840
that the moment you start strain outside

4454
02:45:14,870 --> 02:45:13,600
of that you're no longer doing science

4455
02:45:16,309 --> 02:45:14,880
doesn't mean you're doing illegitimate

4456
02:45:18,710 --> 02:45:16,319
thought but you're not doing the science

4457
02:45:19,670 --> 02:45:18,720
anymore and i always try to stick to

4458
02:45:21,110 --> 02:45:19,680
that because i don't like when

4459
02:45:23,750 --> 02:45:21,120
scientists start talking outside their

4460
02:45:25,030 --> 02:45:23,760
fields too much

4461
02:45:26,710 --> 02:45:25,040
but

4462
02:45:28,070 --> 02:45:26,720
simulation hypothesis is a great example

4463
02:45:30,230 --> 02:45:28,080
of that we say what if we all live

4464
02:45:31,349 --> 02:45:30,240
inside a civilization sorry inside a

4465
02:45:33,190 --> 02:45:31,359
simulation

4466
02:45:34,950 --> 02:45:33,200
and say well that's very obvious the

4467
02:45:36,630 --> 02:45:34,960
example of intelligent design call it

4468
02:45:38,309 --> 02:45:36,640
what you want for something like that

4469
02:45:39,750 --> 02:45:38,319
whether it's a programmer named bob or

4470
02:45:41,750 --> 02:45:39,760
whether it's god or the great sandwich

4471
02:45:43,830 --> 02:45:41,760
people you don't know but that is

4472
02:45:45,990 --> 02:45:43,840
something that's very plausible to do we

4473
02:45:48,309 --> 02:45:46,000
probably can simulate and you know an

4474
02:45:50,070 --> 02:45:48,319
artificial universe of some scope

4475
02:45:51,670 --> 02:45:50,080
with artificial intelligence inside it

4476
02:45:52,790 --> 02:45:51,680
that would think that that was the real

4477
02:45:53,670 --> 02:45:52,800
universe

4478
02:45:55,750 --> 02:45:53,680
and

4479
02:46:00,070 --> 02:45:55,760
we're close to doing that now

4480
02:46:01,830 --> 02:46:00,080
gaming i mean it's getting really good

4481
02:46:03,429 --> 02:46:01,840
and and a big key thing on this is that

4482
02:46:06,070 --> 02:46:03,439
those universes don't actually have to

4483
02:46:07,590 --> 02:46:06,080
be real like in the sense of being the

4484
02:46:09,269 --> 02:46:07,600
same as the one you're in you can set

4485
02:46:11,830 --> 02:46:09,279
the physical lost whatever you want them

4486
02:46:13,510 --> 02:46:11,840
to be so what passes for life inside

4487
02:46:15,269 --> 02:46:13,520
those even though it thinks it's alive

4488
02:46:17,110 --> 02:46:15,279
and and by any reasonable standard would

4489
02:46:18,790 --> 02:46:17,120
have to be considered alive might not

4490
02:46:20,070 --> 02:46:18,800
resemble the universe it was simulated

4491
02:46:21,030 --> 02:46:20,080
from at all

4492
02:46:22,230 --> 02:46:21,040
um

4493
02:46:23,590 --> 02:46:22,240
because that might be an experiment they

4494
02:46:25,510 --> 02:46:23,600
were doing to see what strange things

4495
02:46:27,429 --> 02:46:25,520
could actually produce life

4496
02:46:29,830 --> 02:46:27,439
um we don't know about the higher level

4497
02:46:31,510 --> 02:46:29,840
of reality if it exists and i would tend

4498
02:46:32,550 --> 02:46:31,520
to argue that it's not really any more

4499
02:46:34,950 --> 02:46:32,560
real than

4500
02:46:36,830 --> 02:46:34,960
than ours this is not a new concept it's

4501
02:46:38,550 --> 02:46:36,840
just dressing up in science

4502
02:46:40,870 --> 02:46:38,560
um

4503
02:46:43,190 --> 02:46:40,880
evidence is what matters for that though

4504
02:46:44,389 --> 02:46:43,200
and uh we don't have any evidence of it

4505
02:46:45,670 --> 02:46:44,399
we don't have the evidence for or

4506
02:46:47,110 --> 02:46:45,680
against it and we probably can't

4507
02:46:49,190 --> 02:46:47,120
actually get any

4508
02:46:51,429 --> 02:46:49,200
we will probably never know

4509
02:46:53,110 --> 02:46:51,439
where life started on earth whether it

4510
02:46:54,950 --> 02:46:53,120
was in a common impact or a thermal

4511
02:46:56,870 --> 02:46:54,960
event or a title pool we certainly

4512
02:46:58,389 --> 02:46:56,880
aren't going to know which one it was

4513
02:47:00,469 --> 02:46:58,399
uh and we would have no way to check to

4514
02:47:02,550 --> 02:47:00,479
see if somebody had done that so we can

4515
02:47:04,230 --> 02:47:02,560
only logically infer that

4516
02:47:06,309 --> 02:47:04,240
somebody probably didn't do that because

4517
02:47:08,469 --> 02:47:06,319
they they should still be around where

4518
02:47:10,389 --> 02:47:08,479
we can see and contact them if they were

4519
02:47:12,389 --> 02:47:10,399
but again you can poke holes in that

4520
02:47:14,309 --> 02:47:12,399
argument very easily too

4521
02:47:15,590 --> 02:47:14,319
it's you can't conclude that that's what

4522
02:47:17,349 --> 02:47:15,600
happened you can really say it's a

4523
02:47:20,150 --> 02:47:17,359
possibility on the table

4524
02:47:23,030 --> 02:47:20,160
yeah and when i consider all of that and

4525
02:47:24,630 --> 02:47:23,040
especially when we uh

4526
02:47:30,309 --> 02:47:24,640
when

4527
02:47:33,269 --> 02:47:30,319
orthodox academics that you know uh

4528
02:47:35,190 --> 02:47:33,279
darwin and development and evolution and

4529
02:47:37,750 --> 02:47:35,200
where we are talking about hundreds of

4530
02:47:39,910 --> 02:47:37,760
millions of years an event you know our

4531
02:47:43,190 --> 02:47:39,920
ancestors were fish but here we are

4532
02:47:45,990 --> 02:47:43,200
today well the reason why i poke holes

4533
02:47:50,309 --> 02:47:46,000
in that is is common sense

4534
02:47:53,590 --> 02:47:50,319
you and i uh isaac homo sapien sapien

4535
02:47:54,389 --> 02:47:53,600
150 000 years old that's it

4536
02:47:57,830 --> 02:47:54,399
right

4537
02:47:59,030 --> 02:47:57,840
that that's it well there isn't anything

4538
02:48:00,150 --> 02:47:59,040
there isn't

4539
02:48:02,389 --> 02:48:00,160
that

4540
02:48:06,550 --> 02:48:02,399
of course the missing link but there

4541
02:48:09,670 --> 02:48:06,560
isn't the slow development into us

4542
02:48:11,349 --> 02:48:09,680
where we just appeared here and that i i

4543
02:48:13,910 --> 02:48:11,359
have a hard time

4544
02:48:16,710 --> 02:48:13,920
accepting that we just appeared that

4545
02:48:19,750 --> 02:48:16,720
suddenly one day there was something

4546
02:48:22,150 --> 02:48:19,760
else and then virtually overnight

4547
02:48:24,790 --> 02:48:22,160
we are here and i i i don't understand

4548
02:48:26,630 --> 02:48:24,800
how that is possible i i i

4549
02:48:28,150 --> 02:48:26,640
evolution doesn't always happen you know

4550
02:48:30,070 --> 02:48:28,160
and it's kind of this long progression

4551
02:48:31,830 --> 02:48:30,080
thing if you have a really radical

4552
02:48:33,830 --> 02:48:31,840
mutation that that is actually useful

4553
02:48:35,269 --> 02:48:33,840
and most are not right that can spread

4554
02:48:37,510 --> 02:48:35,279
very quickly we'll say though that was

4555
02:48:39,269 --> 02:48:37,520
very quick but you know 150 000 years

4556
02:48:41,030 --> 02:48:39,279
and that you can only nail that down to

4557
02:48:42,309 --> 02:48:41,040
maybe a couple thousand years think

4558
02:48:44,230 --> 02:48:42,319
about what we've done in a thousand

4559
02:48:45,670 --> 02:48:44,240
years i think about what some species of

4560
02:48:47,510 --> 02:48:45,680
the missing link there the missing link

4561
02:48:49,830 --> 02:48:47,520
is a million-year time gap that's a lot

4562
02:48:51,349 --> 02:48:49,840
of stuff going on but we're the only

4563
02:48:53,750 --> 02:48:51,359
ones though that's the thing we're the

4564
02:48:55,990 --> 02:48:53,760
only ones on this planet that's it

4565
02:48:57,830 --> 02:48:56,000
that do what we do and there is an

4566
02:49:00,150 --> 02:48:57,840
exclusivity on that if you're the first

4567
02:49:02,550 --> 02:49:00,160
species that pops up somewhere uh you

4568
02:49:04,309 --> 02:49:02,560
make it harder for new ones to emerge

4569
02:49:05,429 --> 02:49:04,319
now that's not to say that we were the

4570
02:49:07,429 --> 02:49:05,439
only one it doesn't look like they were

4571
02:49:09,429 --> 02:49:07,439
maybe some other homo sapien

4572
02:49:10,630 --> 02:49:09,439
well uh but not homosexual the hominid

4573
02:49:13,190 --> 02:49:10,640
lines that were probably fairly

4574
02:49:16,150 --> 02:49:13,200
intelligent too and uh we might have

4575
02:49:17,670 --> 02:49:16,160
inbred with them or knocked them out um

4576
02:49:20,950 --> 02:49:17,680
but we don't know

4577
02:49:22,950 --> 02:49:20,960
i need more data but we just don't know

4578
02:49:25,190 --> 02:49:22,960
and i i don't know if we'll ever find

4579
02:49:27,750 --> 02:49:25,200
out you know i really don't which takes

4580
02:49:31,269 --> 02:49:27,760
me to my last uh question

4581
02:49:34,230 --> 02:49:31,279
when it comes to disclosure um and in

4582
02:49:36,870 --> 02:49:34,240
our ufo uh community in the conspiracy

4583
02:49:39,510 --> 02:49:36,880
community disclosure the d word

4584
02:49:42,389 --> 02:49:39,520
is a really big deal and

4585
02:49:44,790 --> 02:49:42,399
last year in 2018 we had a lot

4586
02:49:47,110 --> 02:49:44,800
of ufos in the headlines you know

4587
02:49:48,790 --> 02:49:47,120
starting with the new york times and and

4588
02:49:50,389 --> 02:49:48,800
everything that happened last year it

4589
02:49:52,790 --> 02:49:50,399
seemed like

4590
02:49:54,469 --> 02:49:52,800
you know the pentagon and and somebody

4591
02:49:56,550 --> 02:49:54,479
out there is feeding this information

4592
02:49:59,990 --> 02:49:56,560
back into the community and it got to be

4593
02:50:01,750 --> 02:50:00,000
out of control with fox and cnn and bbc

4594
02:50:02,550 --> 02:50:01,760
and everybody reporting on this last

4595
02:50:04,710 --> 02:50:02,560
year

4596
02:50:06,550 --> 02:50:04,720
do you think that the government is

4597
02:50:09,349 --> 02:50:06,560
sitting on

4598
02:50:12,230 --> 02:50:09,359
information that they are not releasing

4599
02:50:15,429 --> 02:50:12,240
to us when it comes to the et question

4600
02:50:16,950 --> 02:50:15,439
whether we are alone or not

4601
02:50:18,150 --> 02:50:16,960
uh there's a good thing with the caveat

4602
02:50:20,630 --> 02:50:18,160
i'm sure the government's sitting on

4603
02:50:22,389 --> 02:50:20,640
information we don't have access to um

4604
02:50:24,230 --> 02:50:22,399
whether that's military secrets or

4605
02:50:25,990 --> 02:50:24,240
extraterrestrials or just you know

4606
02:50:27,750 --> 02:50:26,000
individual like i haven't i've worked

4607
02:50:29,110 --> 02:50:27,760
with some secret stuff back in the past

4608
02:50:31,670 --> 02:50:29,120
and uh it was usually something very

4609
02:50:34,070 --> 02:50:31,680
mundane like a specific frequency that

4610
02:50:35,429 --> 02:50:34,080
this airplane would be emitting at when

4611
02:50:37,110 --> 02:50:35,439
it was at high speed

4612
02:50:38,710 --> 02:50:37,120
um

4613
02:50:39,910 --> 02:50:38,720
when we find that you know i can't

4614
02:50:42,150 --> 02:50:39,920
speculate is what we're going to find in

4615
02:50:43,590 --> 02:50:42,160
those because we don't have it yet and

4616
02:50:46,469 --> 02:50:43,600
one of the things i always object to

4617
02:50:48,389 --> 02:50:46,479
folks doing is is assuming that you know

4618
02:50:50,469 --> 02:50:48,399
there's not going to be something there

4619
02:50:51,990 --> 02:50:50,479
um assuming something's there that's bad

4620
02:50:53,750 --> 02:50:52,000
too but there is a habit of always

4621
02:50:55,110 --> 02:50:53,760
assuming there's nothing there from the

4622
02:50:57,349 --> 02:50:55,120
skeptic angle

4623
02:50:59,750 --> 02:50:57,359
and that's not good skepticism you wait

4624
02:51:01,190 --> 02:50:59,760
until you have the information and then

4625
02:51:02,710 --> 02:51:01,200
you draw conclusions from that

4626
02:51:05,030 --> 02:51:02,720
information you check if that

4627
02:51:06,070 --> 02:51:05,040
information is valid and until you have

4628
02:51:09,590 --> 02:51:06,080
it

4629
02:51:11,110 --> 02:51:09,600
a scientific perspective to be

4630
02:51:13,269 --> 02:51:11,120
speculating on it we don't know what it

4631
02:51:15,750 --> 02:51:13,279
says yet when we do when we have that

4632
02:51:18,469 --> 02:51:15,760
information we check its validity we try

4633
02:51:20,230 --> 02:51:18,479
to test its validity in whatever ways we

4634
02:51:21,990 --> 02:51:20,240
can come up with and then we draw

4635
02:51:23,750 --> 02:51:22,000
conclusions off that and whatever those

4636
02:51:25,190 --> 02:51:23,760
conclusions say

4637
02:51:27,269 --> 02:51:25,200
are the ones we have to go with if

4638
02:51:28,870 --> 02:51:27,279
they're good conclusions those might get

4639
02:51:30,230 --> 02:51:28,880
knocked out 10 years later by a second

4640
02:51:31,510 --> 02:51:30,240
round of disclosure more recent

4641
02:51:32,950 --> 02:51:31,520
information you know you always got

4642
02:51:34,710 --> 02:51:32,960
secrets they're going to stay secret

4643
02:51:35,750 --> 02:51:34,720
because they're time sensitive

4644
02:51:37,750 --> 02:51:35,760
um

4645
02:51:39,269 --> 02:51:37,760
i don't expect to see anything there per

4646
02:51:41,590 --> 02:51:39,279
se but

4647
02:51:42,870 --> 02:51:41,600
we'll see we will see when we find out

4648
02:51:44,469 --> 02:51:42,880
what it says

4649
02:51:46,070 --> 02:51:44,479
with all of the

4650
02:51:49,030 --> 02:51:46,080
uh we were just talking about science

4651
02:51:51,830 --> 02:51:49,040
fiction in the gaming community and that

4652
02:51:53,910 --> 02:51:51,840
entire genre is big as it is and

4653
02:51:57,190 --> 02:51:53,920
consider the rest of the planet

4654
02:51:59,269 --> 02:51:57,200
and forget about our ufo community we're

4655
02:52:01,110 --> 02:51:59,279
already believers we're okay with it but

4656
02:52:03,750 --> 02:52:01,120
with everything that happened with the

4657
02:52:06,469 --> 02:52:03,760
new york times and that explosion

4658
02:52:09,110 --> 02:52:06,479
of the the et question that went out

4659
02:52:10,469 --> 02:52:09,120
nobody jumped off any buildings isaac

4660
02:52:12,630 --> 02:52:10,479
right that's one thing that always gets

4661
02:52:13,590 --> 02:52:12,640
me to say well maybe the aliens are

4662
02:52:15,269 --> 02:52:13,600
staying away from us because they're

4663
02:52:16,710 --> 02:52:15,279
worried we have shock

4664
02:52:17,830 --> 02:52:16,720
um

4665
02:52:19,670 --> 02:52:17,840
either the poor is like half the

4666
02:52:20,950 --> 02:52:19,680
population believes in intelligent alien

4667
02:52:22,710 --> 02:52:20,960
life whether they believe it's busy or

4668
02:52:24,070 --> 02:52:22,720
not right and i'm actually one of the

4669
02:52:25,269 --> 02:52:24,080
real exceptions that i don't think it's

4670
02:52:28,630 --> 02:52:25,279
around just because i'm sure we'd have

4671
02:52:30,309 --> 02:52:28,640
seen it in a more overt fashion but i

4672
02:52:31,510 --> 02:52:30,319
wouldn't find it shocking i always took

4673
02:52:33,510 --> 02:52:31,520
as a given that there were intelligent

4674
02:52:35,030 --> 02:52:33,520
species all over the place until i i

4675
02:52:37,590 --> 02:52:35,040
thought on it more at the fermi paradox

4676
02:52:39,190 --> 02:52:37,600
angles that wouldn't rock my i mean i'm

4677
02:52:41,190 --> 02:52:39,200
sure it'd be rather shocking you know

4678
02:52:43,349 --> 02:52:41,200
you can you can believe in something

4679
02:52:45,190 --> 02:52:43,359
and the baby has come face to face with

4680
02:52:47,190 --> 02:52:45,200
you it is a little bit different

4681
02:52:49,269 --> 02:52:47,200
i i imagine it would cause a quite the

4682
02:52:51,030 --> 02:52:49,279
firestorm but i don't think it would be

4683
02:52:52,630 --> 02:52:51,040
a civilization-wrecking event and

4684
02:52:54,070 --> 02:52:52,640
probably be old news by the end of the

4685
02:52:56,389 --> 02:52:54,080
year you know

4686
02:52:59,910 --> 02:52:56,399
i i i agree with you no i think it takes

4687
02:53:01,590 --> 02:52:59,920
15 minutes to become old news

4688
02:53:03,590 --> 02:53:01,600
it's it would cycle because you know

4689
02:53:05,190 --> 02:53:03,600
it's i'll use the example of death you

4690
02:53:06,630 --> 02:53:05,200
know that the you know the denial phase

4691
02:53:08,550 --> 02:53:06,640
the acceptance phase and it's not those

4692
02:53:09,830 --> 02:53:08,560
happen once they keep cycling over and

4693
02:53:12,550 --> 02:53:09,840
over again

4694
02:53:15,269 --> 02:53:12,560
um but is it because

4695
02:53:18,309 --> 02:53:15,279
is it because of people like you and and

4696
02:53:20,469 --> 02:53:18,319
the gaming community and the movies and

4697
02:53:22,710 --> 02:53:20,479
hollywood and and science fiction where

4698
02:53:24,950 --> 02:53:22,720
we are just acclimated now

4699
02:53:27,110 --> 02:53:24,960
i think though two to two degree yeah

4700
02:53:29,750 --> 02:53:27,120
now humans are bio very natural very

4701
02:53:31,190 --> 02:53:29,760
adaptable thinking you know we we i mean

4702
02:53:32,389 --> 02:53:31,200
people forget this we always used to

4703
02:53:34,309 --> 02:53:32,399
believe there were other intelligent

4704
02:53:36,790 --> 02:53:34,319
life forms in ourselves on this planet

4705
02:53:38,630 --> 02:53:36,800
until relatively recently that's a new

4706
02:53:40,469 --> 02:53:38,640
thing that we you know there was nothing

4707
02:53:42,630 --> 02:53:40,479
shocking about the idea of a yeti to the

4708
02:53:43,910 --> 02:53:42,640
people of uh ancient europe you know

4709
02:53:45,750 --> 02:53:43,920
right uh whether or not they happen to

4710
02:53:47,590 --> 02:53:45,760
believe in that one specifically

4711
02:53:49,429 --> 02:53:47,600
um this phase that we're going through

4712
02:53:50,790 --> 02:53:49,439
right now um

4713
02:53:53,670 --> 02:53:50,800
which may persist you know again there

4714
02:53:55,429 --> 02:53:53,680
might be nothing there um but

4715
02:53:56,950 --> 02:53:55,439
i don't think we'd be overwhelmed by it

4716
02:53:59,110 --> 02:53:56,960
but it does help to acclimate to it and

4717
02:54:00,790 --> 02:53:59,120
let's say with with science fiction

4718
02:54:02,790 --> 02:54:00,800
that's part of the feedback loop that

4719
02:54:05,190 --> 02:54:02,800
helps us keep we incorporate these new

4720
02:54:06,950 --> 02:54:05,200
ideas we ponder them we contemplate them

4721
02:54:07,990 --> 02:54:06,960
we come up with things we never expected

4722
02:54:09,990 --> 02:54:08,000
out of it you know no one's going to

4723
02:54:13,030 --> 02:54:10,000
predict the smartphone right

4724
02:54:14,710 --> 02:54:13,040
um and we adjust and it can be it does

4725
02:54:17,030 --> 02:54:14,720
have an effect you can't just say that

4726
02:54:19,110 --> 02:54:17,040
it you know if we find aliens tomorrow

4727
02:54:20,469 --> 02:54:19,120
they land on the white house front lawn

4728
02:54:22,389 --> 02:54:20,479
yeah that's gonna

4729
02:54:24,550 --> 02:54:22,399
be very big news and it's still gonna be

4730
02:54:25,830 --> 02:54:24,560
big news 20 30 years from now

4731
02:54:28,389 --> 02:54:25,840
but

4732
02:54:30,630 --> 02:54:28,399
business as usual will persist we are

4733
02:54:31,429 --> 02:54:30,640
designed to handle that kind of stress

4734
02:54:33,269 --> 02:54:31,439
they

4735
02:54:35,190 --> 02:54:33,279
like yeah you know what you're right

4736
02:54:36,790 --> 02:54:35,200
you're right about that and

4737
02:54:39,190 --> 02:54:36,800
again i think it would be about 15

4738
02:54:40,790 --> 02:54:39,200
minutes it would be live on tv and then

4739
02:54:43,349 --> 02:54:40,800
trump's going to step out and go get

4740
02:54:45,269 --> 02:54:43,359
this thing off of my lawn

4741
02:54:47,269 --> 02:54:45,279
you know it's blocking traffic on

4742
02:54:49,110 --> 02:54:47,279
pennsylvania avenue and you think about

4743
02:54:50,950 --> 02:54:49,120
the effect i say so how long is it going

4744
02:54:52,309 --> 02:54:50,960
to be before somebody invites them to go

4745
02:54:54,150 --> 02:54:52,319
to their restaurant because they want

4746
02:54:57,269 --> 02:54:54,160
them to be the first to say the alien

4747
02:54:59,910 --> 02:54:57,279
visitor is keen to my restaurant first

4748
02:55:01,429 --> 02:54:59,920
casino we are bio-nature practical

4749
02:55:03,510 --> 02:55:01,439
creatures

4750
02:55:05,750 --> 02:55:03,520
so what's up what's up next for you what

4751
02:55:08,630 --> 02:55:05,760
uh what's your next video release what's

4752
02:55:10,070 --> 02:55:08,640
the subject uh making suns actually

4753
02:55:11,990 --> 02:55:10,080
that's the thursday episode is gonna be

4754
02:55:14,070 --> 02:55:12,000
about how you could make stars if you

4755
02:55:15,190 --> 02:55:14,080
wanted to and uh some variations you

4756
02:55:17,349 --> 02:55:15,200
might make that be better than the

4757
02:55:18,389 --> 02:55:17,359
naturally occurring ones uh which would

4758
02:55:19,830 --> 02:55:18,399
be an interesting one if we started

4759
02:55:21,429 --> 02:55:19,840
seeing stars popping up where they

4760
02:55:24,070 --> 02:55:21,439
didn't used to exist before in this in

4761
02:55:25,670 --> 02:55:24,080
the cosmos uh and it's another one of

4762
02:55:27,429 --> 02:55:25,680
those great examples say it's not seo

4763
02:55:28,950 --> 02:55:27,439
that high tech technology helps it's

4764
02:55:30,630 --> 02:55:28,960
just brute force

4765
02:55:32,469 --> 02:55:30,640
and uh maybe you don't have to spend

4766
02:55:34,150 --> 02:55:32,479
years traveling to other star systems

4767
02:55:35,990 --> 02:55:34,160
because you just build your own solar

4768
02:55:39,190 --> 02:55:36,000
systems closer at hand

4769
02:55:42,150 --> 02:55:39,200
how often uh do you do uh are you like

4770
02:55:44,389 --> 02:55:42,160
on a week-to-week uh production schedule

4771
02:55:47,030 --> 02:55:44,399
uh yeah we we do the weekly episode on

4772
02:55:48,870 --> 02:55:47,040
thursday mornings and um we do

4773
02:55:50,309 --> 02:55:48,880
occasionally do extra bonus episodes or

4774
02:55:52,150 --> 02:55:50,319
live streams interviews that kind of

4775
02:55:55,190 --> 02:55:52,160
thing but we always have an episode

4776
02:55:57,110 --> 02:55:55,200
every thursday it's uh anything else is

4777
02:55:58,630 --> 02:55:57,120
a bonus and i don't think we've missed

4778
02:55:59,990 --> 02:55:58,640
one and

4779
02:56:02,230 --> 02:56:00,000
actually i think we never missed one

4780
02:56:03,510 --> 02:56:02,240
since we started doing it weekly so

4781
02:56:08,309 --> 02:56:03,520
absolutely

4782
02:56:10,790 --> 02:56:08,319
and from myself and and our audience

4783
02:56:13,269 --> 02:56:10,800
here i want to thank you because

4784
02:56:15,750 --> 02:56:13,279
you've managed to crank out not only a

4785
02:56:18,070 --> 02:56:15,760
large volume of material but just

4786
02:56:19,429 --> 02:56:18,080
absolutely fascinating and well

4787
02:56:20,950 --> 02:56:19,439
researched

4788
02:56:23,990 --> 02:56:20,960
well thank you for so much for having me

4789
02:56:25,830 --> 02:56:24,000
on too and uh we're going to have you on

4790
02:56:27,030 --> 02:56:25,840
the next time around everybody i'm just

4791
02:56:30,309 --> 02:56:27,040
going to let you know we're going to do

4792
02:56:32,070 --> 02:56:30,319
the fermi uh paradox and it'll be the

4793
02:56:34,950 --> 02:56:32,080
entire show

4794
02:56:37,110 --> 02:56:34,960
uh maybe we'll have to do a two-parter

4795
02:56:38,790 --> 02:56:37,120
just like you've done yeah you're you're

4796
02:56:41,510 --> 02:56:38,800
competing so much

4797
02:56:44,150 --> 02:56:41,520
so much so much material isaac thank you

4798
02:56:45,510 --> 02:56:44,160
so much and we'll talk to you very soon

4799
02:56:46,389 --> 02:56:45,520
but thank you for taking the time

4800
02:56:47,750 --> 02:56:46,399
tonight

4801
02:56:50,870 --> 02:56:47,760
looking forward to it thanks for having

4802
02:56:52,550 --> 02:56:50,880
me on isaac arthur and everybody just go

4803
02:56:54,070 --> 02:56:52,560
to isaac i thank you isaac

4804
02:56:55,630 --> 02:56:54,080
isaacarthur.net

4805
02:56:57,670 --> 02:56:55,640
the links are over at

4806
02:56:59,190 --> 02:56:57,680
jimmychurchradio.com and i think we

4807
02:57:01,670 --> 02:56:59,200
might have his youtube channel up there

4808
02:57:03,590 --> 02:57:01,680
too as well but of course it is over at

4809
02:57:05,830 --> 02:57:03,600
isaacarthur.net

4810
02:57:07,510 --> 02:57:05,840
fascinating conversation now i got to

4811
02:57:10,150 --> 02:57:07,520
remind everybody what's going on this

4812
02:57:12,309 --> 02:57:10,160
week tomorrow night caroline ford will

4813
02:57:14,630 --> 02:57:12,319
be here we're going to discuss of course

4814
02:57:17,110 --> 02:57:14,640
for the first time einstein the ancient

4815
02:57:19,110 --> 02:57:17,120
crystal skull of consciousness that'll

4816
02:57:20,950 --> 02:57:19,120
be tomorrow night wednesday night david

4817
02:57:23,750 --> 02:57:20,960
wilcock is here we're going to take a

4818
02:57:26,230 --> 02:57:23,760
little look at 2018 the year that was

4819
02:57:29,670 --> 02:57:26,240
but we're going to look straight forward

4820
02:57:33,190 --> 02:57:29,680
into disclosure and the great awakening

4821
02:57:35,110 --> 02:57:33,200
uh for 2019 that'll be wednesday night

4822
02:57:36,950 --> 02:57:35,120
thursday night is another fader night

4823
02:57:39,429 --> 02:57:36,960
teresa and eris is going to be here

4824
02:57:42,790 --> 02:57:39,439
divine frequency on the airwaves

4825
02:57:44,870 --> 02:57:42,800
followed by open lines all night long

4826
02:57:46,950 --> 02:57:44,880
with that i'm going to get out of here

4827
02:57:49,750 --> 02:57:46,960
thank you to isaac arthur once again

4828
02:57:51,510 --> 02:57:49,760
fascinating perfect conversation tonight

4829
02:57:53,349 --> 02:57:51,520
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4830
02:57:56,150 --> 02:57:53,359
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4831
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4832
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4833
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4834
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4835
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4836
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4837
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4838
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4839
02:58:16,469 --> 02:58:12,960
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4840
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4841
02:58:21,830 --> 02:58:19,439
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4842
02:58:23,429 --> 02:58:21,840
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4843
02:58:25,750 --> 02:58:23,439
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02:58:31,670 --> 02:58:30,160
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4848
02:58:36,070 --> 02:58:33,680
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4849
02:58:39,349 --> 02:58:36,080
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4850
02:58:40,469 --> 02:58:39,359
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4851
02:58:46,110 --> 02:58:40,479
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4852
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4853
02:59:08,040 --> 02:58:48,870
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4854
02:59:08,050 --> 02:59:16,389
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4855
02:59:16,399 --> 02:59:27,050
so